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Wednesday, January 18, 2012

The Cheat - Monday Morning

Monday Morning - The Return to School



Sarah is set to return to school on Monday morning.  She hopes Mr. Chen doesn't bother to follow up or ideally he simply forgets.  If not she has to snitch on Jake in order to return to class!

Will Chen forget?
Will Sarah give up Jake up?
If not, then what happens next?

Would you hold out? or give up the student to return to class?

 

138 comments:

  1. no i do not think that Chen will forget because this is a very serious case and no one would forget in two days that three of their student cheated and has a punishment.

    i think that Sarah will give up Jake because what her father said she has her own key to freedom and that is true because if she just tells Chen Jake gave the answers then she will not be punished and Sarah does not even know this kid he just gave the answers so i would not think of any reason to not tell on some next person.

    of course i would tell on this student because i do not know him and also it is the right thing to do because even Sarah dad told Sarah to tell on this random kid so i think it is the right thing to do and if Sarah does tell on him then maybe she will save everyone else.

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    1. Agreed we would give up the student. So much to lose for somebody you don't even know.

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  3. No, I think Chen will not forget this issue. It's pretty big to forget in 2 days. He would recall their punishments as well. I'm pretty sure that this would of been the only thing Chen would of been thinking about.

    I think that Sarah would gave up Jake at the end. The only reason Sarah was holding up Chen that Friday was because she didn't make up her decision. So since she listened to her dad, she must of got motivated and made her decision. And the father said she can take her own actions, she has that freedom. And she can tell on Jake cause really Jake is the one who gave the answers to her and she doesn't even know the kid. I think there is nothing wrong with that right?

    If I were Sarah.... I would tell on Jake . First of all, well, you don't even know the kid to be hated in the first place. Second of all, Sarah's or in this case, my dad said thaat I can tell on him .

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    1. It's not all the time we do what our parents say. Especially at the teenage years. WE don't know if she has something for Jake or not, but you don't just rat out a kid. You have a reputation to protect. Nobody likes it when they're trying to have a decent conversation with their peers to be called snitch. He also did not directly command her to tell, like You said she was given the choice. But the kid who gave her mid-terms for no reason (that she knows of) Won't she feel sympathy for the kid?

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    2. but why would a random kid just give of Mid-term answers ,if it was for no reason or Sarah doesn't know why he gave it to her than it's okay. I've been taught to save your self before others and help them as much as you can with in your limits. And when I say within your limits I mean, try to help others if you're okay

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    3. do you think that jake knew about the test answers and they were wrong

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    4. Were they wrong I don't recall it being in the book. I recall all of them having the same answer but not all wrong. Verification Please?

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    5. Not if you were Sarah, what would you do, if it was you! application not empathy

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  4. Will Chen forget- There is no guaranteeing that he will remember but, there is more of a chance of him remembering than there is a chance of him not remembering. Remember when Dan's mom came in and gave him that stern talking to I think he'll remember that. And then when Sarah's mom came in. Then when Rob's parents didn't pick up the phone even looking at his office could trigger the thought of cheating. Especially since he has their tests.
    Will Sarah rat Jake out- Really I think she might. The way Katie talks and the way Sarah talk are very different. So if Katie thinks that ratting people out is a horrible snitch act. Maybe Sarah thinks of anything that can save her will help her (in this situation). You don't always think like your friends. But, then again sometimes if you've chosen good friends then you share the same morals and values as they. So I really have no idea what Sarah is gonna do but I do think my conscience is telling me that she isn't gonna tell on him. As Mrs Ang puts it for every positive effect there is a negative. And the positive here is that Sarah gets to get away with not snitching. The negative is that Chen will again pick on her not pick on her, but force her to. She won't give a name, fine I'll find him, your suspended until I find out who or you tell me. Right now. So in this situation Chen's not forgetting.

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    1. @ tabish
      so at the end what do you think Sarah is gooing to do, because you were kinda negotiating and then you kinda didn't tell us the solid answer. So what is Sarah going to do?

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    2. why do you think chen will forget about the cheating

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    3. @tabish but i thought sarah also thought that telling on someone is snitching to so right now i think katie and sarah thought the same thing.

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    4. @Wario Rephrase
      @Mario I have no definite answer but, my thoughts are leaning in more to the Sarah keeping herself from telling on Jake. But, again that isn;t my definite answer because I'm not really sure.

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    5. @Mario
      What do you think is going to happen next? Since you feel that Sarah is going to rat Jake out because she wants to listen to her father.

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  5. @Everyone
    I'll be back later. Around 5:30-ish

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  6. @Mr.Cheney I am not done reading The Cheat so i am a bit confused at times.

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  7. I don't think Mr.Chen would forget because its not something someone would forget.He expects the essays and probably that Sarah gives up her test answers.But is he going to check if there here or not..? Also he dd keep saying it was an serious issue but how long can Sarah keep up her act?
    I still don't think Sarah would give up Jake because she sounded serious on her word but she might if Mr.Chen doesn't let her back in school for a while.She might not want to ruin her rep and Jake did beg her not to tell on him while they were at the office.
    I think Sarah would probably go back to school on Monday assuming Chen forget or even try to stay out of Chen's sight.

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    1. WHAT ACT DO YOU THINK IS SARAH putting up

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    2. Like by not telling about Jake because even the ppl the gave the test answers to didn't know who she got it from.

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    3. do you think that chen will be searching everywhere

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    4. how long do you think is for a while

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    5. What would you do Janat? Sarah won't give up Jake? why what is she protecting?

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    6. @MrCheney,If i were in Sarah place, it would take me a LONG time to decide what to do in the end but it probably would be to give Jake up because I wouldst want to be suspended but at the time if Sarah keeps it up maybe me.Chen would try to be more convincing because right now she seem pretty sure shes not going to.Maybe shes protecting because she doesn't want to ruin her rep and that he had "begged "her to take the answers to the mid-term.

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    7. Not in Sarah's place. What if this happened to you. Substitute all the characters for your friends...then what would you do?

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    8. if it were all switched, i would tell. its still someone i dont know

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  8. i think that mr chen will not forget, and will also keep sarah in his office unless she tells him who gave the answers.

    i dont think that sarah will give up jake.
    she seems very patient, and will wait as long as it takes for chen to let her go back to class without telling.

    i think mr chen will get really frustrated that sarah isnt telling, and may go for a bigger punishment like expulsion.

    i wouldnt like to tell, but i dont think that i can hold out because of fear of punishment.

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    1. Do you think Sarah might like not going to school..??

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    2. why do you think that sarah will not tell she sounded influenced to tell on jake by her father.

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    3. True but as the book is going on it still doesn't seem like Sarah is ready to tell yet.

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    4. do you think by any chance chen suspects jake for the test answers

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    5. why would you not tell it will save you and in this case it is not snitching.

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    6. @ janat i dont get your comment.
      @ wario
      it sounded as though sarah doesnt like her father much.
      and she seems like the person that "plays by her own rules."
      she will continue to stay silent.

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  9. i think that maybe mr chen will remember, but after a while of sarah not talking, he will pretend to forget, and get the answer another way without anyone knowing.

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    1. how do you think chen will get the truth out without asking anyone.

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    2. there is no way to do that.it might be a way to not let sarah know

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    3. ya thats what i meant.
      get a way of finding out without sarah not knowing anything.

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  10. @ mr cheney
    my post that i made isnt showing. it did at first, but now it disappeared...

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  11. @ malav I think Chen might let go of Katie and tell her that she would be left with no punishment if she only figures and finds out and tells Chen how Sarah got the answers.

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    2. @mario why do you think that telling on jake would make sarah have 0 fault after all jake gave the answers and sarah took it

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    3. what do you mean katie?
      chen doesnt have anything against katie.
      could it be that chen knows katie and sarah are close, and will use katie to find the answers?

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  12. @Mario, Chen doesn't know Katie was involved because at the end point she decided not to

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  13. I don't think that Chen forgot about the cheating, mainly because that's not something the principal would forget about, because he is now fully aware that they are cheaters and that alone is not something he would forget

    I think that Sarah is going to give up Jake because it's someone that she doesn't know so it will probably be easier for her to do it especially since her dad told her that she has her own key to freedom, and in this case the key of her getting slightly out of the situation is to tell on Jake because he's the reason to how all this cheating began

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    1. what punishment do you think jake will get

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    2. do you think the cheater learned their lesson about never to cheat again

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    3. I think he is going to get detention for a long time or maybe even suspended because not only did he cause one person to cheat he caused numerous people to cheat

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    4. if it was easier for her to do it than why did she not do it before and also why do you think the other cheaters did not tell on jake

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    5. well I think that depends on if they get caught because if they don't get caught chances are that they will do it again and again, because it works and no one notices.

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    6. A reason why she might have not told before because she didn't have motivation from her dad which got her thinking more about her freedom. in addition to that a reason why she might tell now is because of all the things that happened like Rob running away

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    7. and what would you do in this situation Shelby?

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    8. but didnt sarah say that she isnt a snitch before? do you really think she's smart enough to realize what her 'mother's ex husband' was trying to tell her? remember after having lunch with him, she went and told her mom that he found her getting into trouble "interesting" sarah couldnt realise how stupid she sounded. she couldnt consider her father being right.

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    9. and her father told her the best thing to do is to snitch on someone, to report a wrong that has been done. so he said that sarah should tell on jake because he did the wrong thing

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    10. lots of people say they are not snitches, but when the heat is on, we crack and save ourselves.

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    11. @Shelby: So do you think Sarah will not realise and care that what she is going to posibily do is wrong?

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  14. I think that Chan will forget and that everything will be back to normal. Sarah will not rat Jake out nor will Katie confess. I think that Rob and his dad's problems will work out, also that nothing bad will happened only that they will all be good friends even though they had to go threw all this.

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    1. why do you think this will all happen in the book rob said he is ready to fight and also sarah is influenced and wants to get back to school so she will rat out jake.

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    2. after all that trouble jake gave sarah you think that they will be good friends.

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    3. also what do you think is going to happen to dan and ruby

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    4. What if Mr Chen does remember what happens then? Does the guilty party (Jake, Dan, Rob, and Sarah) get suspended further maybe even expelled? Because mid-term does count for a high percentage of your grade. Will Mr Chen consider it that much of an offence? What lengths do you think Mr Chen is willing to go to, to find the main culprit for the crime. And relate this to the real world how many crimes are left and how many are investigated? How many people who commit crimes actually end up in jail?

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    5. I think that if they do get in trouble, that Mr.Chen will not forget, then I think that Sarah will be expelled. The reason that I think that they will be friends is because since they have been though a lot then Sarah might forgive Jake. Still, even though they all did get in trouble, they still might be friends.

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  15. @Everybody
    It seems that you all think that Mr Chen is going to remember because it's so important. But, isn't this Sarah's first time cheating? Isn't there any sympathy for the "first time cheater". I mean if you've cheated once you've done it before without getting caught but this is the first time Sarah has been caught. So Chen might just let it go, maybe he has a lot on his mind to worry about. Thoughts?

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    1. even though it is sarah's first time cheating she cheated on a mid term so i think this is serious because if it was a quiz i would just give a lunch time detention but this is a mid term.

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    2. I think Mr. Chen will treat her equally. Like Mr. Cheney said if you're caught once, you most likely cheated many times before. Maybe this isn't Sarah's first time cheating.

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    3. If not equally, then most certain fairly. That may mean different punishment from the rest considering her being a crucial figure in the cheating ring

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    4. @Buttercup
      Tell that to Mr Chen he doesn't know. But there is no reference for Mr Chen to be "equal" with. Do you mean that he'll be "fair"?

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    5. I meant being equal with all the other students who got in trouble, I meant the same thing as fair. I think Mr. Chen would know about the cheating times before because it seems like he has a lot of experience.

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    6. being equal and fair are not always the same thing. If you have 2 students that are caught stealing but 1 of them has been caught for the 7th time. There punishment is likely more intense. This is fair but it's not equal.

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    7. In the story do you think Sarah shares the same level of guilt as Katie, Rob, Dan, and Jake?

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    8. I understand the difference now. No, I don't think she shares the same level of guilt as the others. She shared the answers. I think Katie's innocent because she didn't use them and Jake isn't as guilty as Sarah because he delivered them, not cheated. Rob and Dan fall in between.

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  16. @mrcheney our homework is on page 438 not 437 and it's 1-8

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  17. @Wario
    Can you relate this to the real world? If a robber was to rob a person once? (meaning they've done it numerous times) and another robber was caught robbing twice does the one that robbed once deserve the same punishment as the one that was caught robbing twice?

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  18. No, I don't think Mr. Chen will forget about all this. Wouldn't he still be expecting the essay on Monday? He made a big deal out of it and he seemed very serious.
    I think that Sarah might give Jake up. She was very strong in the beginning but I don't know how much she will hold out. Maybe if she it was Katie, not Jake because Sarah would hold out but she doesn't really know Jake so they're is not really much motivation.
    I think it definetly depends on the person and the action to say if I would snitch. If it was one of my close friends, I probably would hold out. But if the action was severe I might tell.

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    1. and what if its a fellow grade 8 but not a friend? Do you give them up?

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    2. Depends if you have the right situation to if you do take advantage of it and use it to get yourself into the higher standards.

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  19. I don't think Chen is going to forget because for him to be a principal he needs to be very responsible ad without responsiblitlty you are going to have a hard time being a principal.

    I don't think Sarah is going to rat Jake out because Jake did tell Sarah not to tell on him and Sarah seemed to keep her word and I dot think Sarah will change her mind .
    But, if Sarah does rat on Jake she is getting her life back to normal and gets the freedom but the only problem of that is she is most likely to lose a friend .

    If I were to be in this situation I would ray Jake out because I don't want to get into anymore more trouble I'm pretty sure majority of the class would for their own sake . I would just want to return to class .

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    1. Right now is ratting out Jake doing the right thing in both perspectives of the characters? Here's the thing he loses privileges but, like Mr Cheney says does he gain a sense of understanding to what cheating on a test is? If Mr Chen left him rather than punishing him does he learn his lesson internally? Like what Mr Cheney said today inspiration comes from within. And it's why there is a difference between Academic and Applied the people that are in Academic are realize that the only way they can look they're resume's look better is by going through this and thus we could say that they understand the system. I can relate this back to the previous statement So do you think Jake understands the "system" in this situation?

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    2. Tabish you are a great learner from speech. You have quoted me well. Indeed motivation does come from all sources. But lasting motivation comes from in your own heart and soul.

      You have to believe in order to achieve

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    3. Believing in order to achieve. We've discussed this haven't we? Just because you believe doesn't necessarily mean you will achieve as there is obstacles in the way of everything. And sometimes the "system" it's self will turn in order to shut you down. The talk of education is highly referred to when you give us lectures. I want to be something big. A doctor for instance goes through this: 3 years of undergraduate school or 4 for some meaning you have to graduate from university with a bachelors degree. You need a grade point average of a 3.3 out of 4. (B+). And if you did want to stand out an average of 80% would be minimum. Once you do become a resident to learn after med school. 50-90 hours a week. After that 50-70 when established. Your work is upgraded constantly like a teachers. You might stop somewhere in between because you realize the pressure it takes to become one. So I don't really agree with that statement.

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  20. @Buttercup
    Think of this from Jakes point of view.
    What do you think he's thinking right now? And would he want Sarah to rat him out? Did he do the right thing in terms of getting closer to Sarah? Giving her all the answers.

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    1. Obviously, I think Jake doesn't want Sarah to rat him out. I don't really think any of us would want to in Jake's position. I think Jake made a mistake giving Sarah the answers because she didn't even know Sarah that much.

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    2. He should be very nervous. He can't really believe Sarah will protect him. But is he willing to hope for that and not give himself up...that might be his saving grace! Perhaps Sarah should tell him to help his "street" rep he should take it for the team!

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    3. Yes Nicole he probably shouldn't have helped out, but when people "like" people they will take risks

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    4. I think Jake did it out of nervousness and probably regrets giving her the answers right now.

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    5. Because he was nervous? or because he has a crush and wanted to impress. Yes he certainly regrets! He is not prepared for this kind of heat and attention

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    6. I think he was nervous because he had a crush on her and wanted to impress.

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  21. in my opinion mr.chen won't forget that easily because this is something serious and mr.chen would probably expect the essays too.
    i think that sarah will give up on jake to go to the class because she hardly knows him so she would probably tell.
    if i was in her place i would give up on the student to return to class because i am not the type of person who will stay in trouble even if i know how to get out of it.

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    1. I agree, I couldn't predict a single student would risk suspension to protect a student they don't know.

      But Sarah is trying to protect jake...Who or what is she trying to protect?

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    2. She's probably just trying to keep her reputation good because no one wants to known as a snitch even through most of us would have told if it were us and some other person we didn't really know.

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    3. so your trying to say that if sarah and jake were friends then sarah wouldnt tell on him? But if you hear some of sarah's thoughts she's always saying that she does not snitch, and she isnt a snitch. do you this is the time where she finally coughs up the truth, do you think its because of the pressure that mr.chen will give her.

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    4. I think she is trying to keep a promise to his freinds maybe secret crushes.

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  22. I just realized something 165 pounds, taller than dad and taller than Mom Rob and Dan are football players! Football player are always big.

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    1. Athletes tend to be big in size. More strength and quickness, usually.

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    2. Alright Guys Imma go take a break. After Hockey my legs tend to kill me. Need a hotpack. You played hockey Mr Cheney what helps sore and aching bodies?

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    3. Before playing
      Heat, advil, stretching, and bit of caffeine

      after playing
      ice...20 min on, 10 min off, continue the cycle

      keep you legs elevated, resting on a pillow as you lie down, and advil.

      Advil is an anti inflammatory and prevents swelling

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    4. as well you can keep them wrapped in a tensor bandage...it supports blood flow to problem areas. I sometimes wear them around my knees to prevent them from getting stiff during the school day

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  23. @mr Cheney my computer goes blank/white when I click on publish and it doesn't let me post any comments it only let's me post comments every 2 min or so later and I keep trying but it's not working

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    1. okay, blogspot has been very inconsistent the last 3 weeks, tabs are not working, time of post is not working, hopefully will work out soon.

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  24. I think that there is a high chance that Mr.Chen will remember once he sees Sarah, Sarah is probably just hoping for the best or maybe assuming that she will get away with it. However there is a chance that Mr.chen forgets, being a principal and all, too many things on his mind. I don't think Sarah will change her perspective on snitching and just not tell Mr.chen about Jake.

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    1. True,but don't the teachers know that there supposed to suspended until Mr.Chen says so like the geography teacher for example would probably talk to Mr.Chen first.

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    2. true, i just fell asleep when cheney was reading that part, just like how i feel asleep on my keyboard last night.

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    3. you fell asleep???? I always knew I was boring!

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  25. @Mr Cheney Thanks it helped
    @Donna
    But, I have this unusual thought. What if Jake turns himself in? Remember when we started reading the book Jake said he wanted to go back and turn himself in and save the damsel in distress. I commented that Jake thought himself as principled and he did seem principled. What do you think of that thought? Agree, Disagree? This was at the time where the guilty party was in the office.

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    1. That thought isnt unusual, i agree. Jake did seem like the person who would do the right thing, and cant take all the guilt thats inside him, also he likes sarah and probably would want to save her, especially since she didnt tell on him.

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    2. Jake the man who gave away test scores seems like the type of person who would do the right thing?

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    3. "love can get you killed" if jake loves sarah then he would do anything for her, i think he even mentioned this in his thoughts. because of her toothpaste smile is the reason why he almost got into trouble.

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    4. he made a mistake, but wouldnt have made that mistake if it were someone else that sat beside him..

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    5. Well the same man who gave away the test scores only wanted a chance at a girl so I can't really blame him for what he did. But, I do appreciate him thinking about the others especially Sarah. When they were sitting by the office he thought about turning around and saving everybody/

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    6. The things guys would do for girls

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    7. and the things girls would do for guys, it goes both ways in middle school.

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    8. @donna love can get you killed I know about two families back were we I used to live that got abused to be dating a black man this shows that abusive parenting still lives within our communities and racism can toll on anything.
      I want to see peoples thoughts on abusive parenting just like rob saying "my dads gonna kill me" shows it too.

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  26. I think Sarah won't snitch on Jake because she doesn't wan't Jake to tell on Katie because Jake knows that she never got in trouble.
    Mr.Chen might forget but the essays are due so when he maybe call them to the office Mr.Chen might still ask who gave the test, and things that might happen next in the book maybe people will run up to Rob and ask him what happen were'd he go and what he do.

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  27. @Vinay
    Very true gossip spreads around the school like wild fire. But I think Katie wasn't involved in the "cheating" or was she? Verification please? And very realistic there with the Jake blaming it on Katie. I like the points your making. Because when someone is blamed they usually blame someone else. I like the realism here.

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    1. she knew, was prepared to cheat, but stopped during the test and did it herslf

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  28. I really liked the conversation on the blog today. Good Night Guys
    -Sauceboss out

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  29. yea I tried to think out side world, yea Katie was down to cheat but she never because she's the only one that checked over her answers and she erased the cheating answers off and put the right ones in.

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      Rob noticed one was wrong and started erasing

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  30. I think when Sarah goes back on Monday, Mr Chen is going to come to her class first and ask what her answer is. She might snake out Jake, but if she knows "Honesty is the best policy". If this comes past her mind then things will go right.

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  31. Mr Cheney can you give me paper work for tommorow because I'm not caught up in about 2 posts and they have about over 100 posts so I would like to have the paper work to make up for it.

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    1. And mr Cheney the time is off for the blog by about 3 hours.

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    2. Paper work? Im not sure what that means. But you should do blogging homework on the blog. Answer the question then limit your responses to 3 or 4 other students.

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    3. Yes I have tried to fix the times, they are only off in the posting section

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  32. I don't think that Chen will forget because he is one of those people that will mess around with the kids so they get pushed to their limits and in my experience of being a student that is what about all of them do in class or outside of class. This way even if he forgets he will have a moment when thinking "what's thats boys name that was caught teaching on the mid term oh yes it was that quadro. Then so if they get into any anymore trouble than already they will have to maybe do extra work on exams etc.If I was in his shoes I wouldnt forget the look on their faces when they were called up to the office because thinking about it he must have a sinister side to him when it come to this.

    I do think Sarah will give jake up because she has never heard of him which means if she snitches nobody will notice when it happens plus she doesn't want to give up getting out of the situation than not telling on someone that is " invisible".
    Afterwards, I think Katie will come in to her situation to encourage her into snitching and make it much easier for her assuming that they can help each other most times.Then Katie will be with jake as a suspect and be questioned they aren't friends anymore and a crisis happens.
    The last question has a pro and con of it first helps you be free but do it and you get made fun of.If not ,parents get dissappointed and You get into deeper situations so either one depending on what the situation could be.
    This post thought me plan something anything that might just work may not go the way you wanted it to.

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  33. I like how everybody has that idea not snitching is better I disagree because there are some things you need to take advantage of during life. Just like mr cheney said during his inspiring speech that whatever help you can get from friends diplomas tale them and use them to your advantage. Sometimes when you let things go like this it grows into much bigger things and they get harder and harder afterwards the guilt of no telling will eat you from the inside as I knew from experience.so they should take that time and snitch so they don't go into things bigger than being taunted for a day.

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  34. Tushar out bloggers.

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  35. I think Mr.Chen won't forget because it hasn't been such a long time since this situation happened also because some people write it down like this and this person never came to school because they are suspended

    I dont think Sarah will give it up that Jake did it because of "snitching" Sarah is a popular girl at school also because maybe she doesn't want anyone to hate her and wonder if Jake figures out that Sarah told he might think that she is a snitch and he will tell everyone and then no one would trust her anymore.
    I think Sarah will go back to school but Mr.Chen will tell her to go back home she will beg him but he wont let her go to class unless she tells the truth so maybe Sarah will just leave because again of the "snitching" thing..

    If it were me i would tell because i know i have done something wrong and i wouldn't care about snitching if its serious then i would for sure tell but otherwise i wouldn't only if it didn't really matter.

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  36. I do not think mr chen will foget.its not like it was a winter break, it was just a weekend.i think that it would be unreasonable to forget,since it was over a huge thing,it would be nearly impossible to forget.even though we read the book all the stuff im writing this as if i never read the part.

    i do not think that sarah give jake up.she might do it later if the principle expellls her if she doesnt, and so far she hasnt said a thing,she might hold off for a while.

    if i was her i would definitly tell.it wouldent make sense not to tell on someone you barely knew. but it sort of is sarahs fault because jake said she asked for the answers

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  37. the ending of the book is coming, and sarah looks like she wont say anything and so
    i think that jake will confess about the test answers because of guilt.

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    1. i think that sarah may also be waiting for jake to confess.
      that way, she isnt in trouble any more, and she isnt a snitch.

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