Reading Challenging
Material Review and Connections. I
have an series of articles from the Toronto Star that we are going to read and
explore, using the tools we learned during “reading challenging material” to
make strong connections to Rebound and our world. Thus further cementing the lessons learned from narrative
text and applying them to our world.
Post your thoughts about the first article "The Life of a Student" and comment on others:
Only comment on "life of a student" the article we read in class today.
ReplyDeletei think that this is very sad,
ReplyDeleteand i find this very cruel.
this is just crazy.
why do people hate so much on gay people?
what is so wrong?
i couldnt believe that people have commited suicide because of people judging them,
and making fun of them.
i find these people jerks, selfish, and other words indescribable.
like we discussed, david's wheelchair is symbolic for this article.
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ReplyDeletefirst of all this article reminds me of last year when we had this gender base work shop.during the workshop we learned the same thing has what the article talked about.like how gay people r still human and we should treat them the same.gay people are not DIFFERENT than anyone else that's the problem. everyone thinks we/they are. We/they are human, just like everyone else. Just because the sexual orientation doesn't live up to (most) standards, that doesn't put us/them in our/their own catagory of human. It's thinking like that,that makes people sound hateful and uneducated.
ReplyDeleteIt should'nt matter if they are gay or not because they are still people and everyone is equal and the same. But the fact that some want to be gay or lesbian than its there life and why would it effect the others that think different.
ReplyDeletei find this shameful and it is a pity that teenagers are doing this terrible deed even though this sounds like i am in the island people should not treat other people like this.
ReplyDelete@malav i know the article is sad but we have to think to ourselfs that we might have done something at some points that would have hurted others feeling too. like i know some people that at lunch go around randomly caling things gay.for example if you were playing basketball and the ball was flat there is a 1/10 chance that some one would say that so gay which might be offensive to gay people.or maybe 1/4.
ReplyDeleteso all i'm trying to say is that if we felt sad when reading this article the next we hear some gay or something related let not try to hurt someones feelings or anything but let try to keep the comment to ourselfs because change starts with one.
@ sana
ReplyDeleteya that is true it is their option.
There's a report I saw on CBC about special schools, where Gay and Lesbian students can learn together so there is no such thing as discrimination, hate crimes, or abuse, whether verbal, physical or cyber isn't very common. They learn more and are less stressed out. They don't have to live in the fear of being insecure. But then again there is a problem to those schools, protesters, people against Gay and Lesbian rights. May try to shut down the school.
ReplyDeleteI agree with Malav on that thought, why are people so rude to Gay and Lesbian students, teachers, people in general? Is it because they are different from the perceved "normal", Who has the right to say whose normal and whose not? Is it just because they're different from us, just like David? We give people prejudices and and labels. Break down the word prejudice and what do you get? Tada! Pre-judge so when you place a prejudice on someone you are basically prejudging someone.
@ sana
ReplyDeleteya i remember that.
the guy had also showed us an advertisement about that.
ever since i saw that, i stopped calling things gay.
it is very offending, and it makes gay people feel even worse after being bullied
and being called fags
After reading the article, it was really sad that people really treat gay people like this.Like just because there gay/lesian doesnt mena that there not human and their still apart of our society.So they should get an equal amount of respect and be treated the same.They shouldnt be judged, and who are we to judge them because we dont have the right to judge people for who they are.
ReplyDeleteI think it was in grade 6 when ms.Dodo was reading us an story about an ricj man who was gay but didnt tell anyone and married and he was too ashamed to tell he was gay and he hid the truth in himslef so he would be treated the same and i think it was his son who found out after.
@Sana , i agree everyone calls eachother gay as if its an bad word and its preety offensice to people who are actually gay.
@Malav , i agree people are like that who make fun of gay peopple but i think even if they were told to stop they wouldnt and as sana said they use the word gay as a word to insult someone.
@The sauce boss, i thinkk that school would be way better for them and at lest there they would have their own rights and wouldnt get bullied but yet their still are protesters
This article made me get filled with sadness because the gay, lesbian people get tortured about every day.this ha reminded me of when the the anti-bullying campaign came to our school I started thinking of that that's so gay comment that gets overused for about 5 years now. The person there also told me that it's not all about the gays, but it also could be about the inner characteristics of the person like pretend he's what people call him stupid, mean.
ReplyDeleteI really don't get why people are so prejudice against anyone who isn't "straight". Thier sexuality does not make them any less of a person, and it is really surprising that so many people think so.
ReplyDeleteThis reminds me of a youtube singer called Joey Diamond, that was gay. He got bullyed a lot about his sexuality. He finally put up a vidieo basically saying he wants to be a person that everyone(especially gay kids) can look up to beacause he is completly proud of who he is. I thinks awesome that he is proud of who he is because most kids, like the ones in this article need someone to look up to.
@ the sauce boss i never knew that there is a special school for gay and lesbians.
ReplyDeletewell i would try to save the schools because since gay and lesbians don't feel safe in hallways and change rooms for other schools.maybe they will feel safe in theese "special" schools.i really don't like putting a special infront of the school because that means that i'm not treating them equally because we all are people that don't want to be treated differently.
Mr. Cheney I forgot the forms again but ill get my parents to sign a piece of paper saying that all the information is correct.
ReplyDelete@malav remamber how the guy doing the gender base workshop was gay and he shared experience from his life like how he got kick out of his own home and even how the garbage man made fun of him.
ReplyDeletei say that he had alot of courage to tell us about his experiances about being gay and his story was sad too
i think gay people should stand upfor themself like Joey Diamond,or the guy at the gender base workshop.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this article I've learned many things, like how people get punished for being different and being themselves. People always say never act like someone you aren't be yourself and people will accept you, but that's not always the case sometimes when people be themselves they get penalized for it, like these gay students who sometimes resort to suicide because of bullying.
ReplyDelete@Google, but sometimes when they stand up for themselves they get bullied
ReplyDelete@janat i think it was is son who found out because i remember that story but not all of it because i came in class when she was half way done the story.
ReplyDelete@shelby true but i'm trying to say that how they could tell someone that they trust someone who will actually help them instead of bulling them like a teacher or a best friend that you can trust.
ReplyDelete@shelby or they could stand up for themselfs to save their school so they could actually feel safe in a school because i agree with this statement “When I send my child to you for six hours, I expect him to come home safe,” and not be called a “fag” by other kids because he has two moms.
ReplyDeleteThis is a Sad article Gay kids being treated like he isn't a person. Him just being bullied is like "hell" just like the article.
ReplyDeleteI have the same connection as Nicole I saw the video he admitted he was gay and he wanted to be a role model for the people that are gay so they would just stand up for themselves. People actually made a video making fun of him talking about his voice how he acts.
@tushar was the anti-bullying campaign 5 years ago or the word that so gay over use since the past 5 years.
ReplyDelete@bacon strips did people make fun of him after he made the video or before?
ReplyDelete@am 17 you just think your on a island where everyone equally but you don't realize just like how david sees the boysmake fun of him and sean dosen't
ReplyDelete@janat never mind the story i'm talking about his a different story.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading the article I felt horrible for these students. Their life is like "hell" ( as said in the article.) So many students who are gay/lesbians get tortured for being different then the others and if this continues then what do you think these kids would want to do? SUICIDE! I have the same question like everyone else why ARE people rude to kids who're gay or les, just because they're different. Isn't everyone different than others?
ReplyDeleteSome people are tall, some are short, some are not as smart as others but is this going to stop you from being friends with someone? Suppose your friend was waaaaayyyyy taller and older than you or shorter and not smarter than you would you stop being friends with them?
Would you leave them and find a friend who levels up to you? No right, then why these people? They're only gay and they are all still humans(either "straight" or not.)
This reminds me of when this guy came to our school and taught us about gender-based violence. He told us he was also gay and when his parents found out about this HE GOT KICKED OUT OF HIS OWN HOUSE? You would kick your son out of your house just because he's different than others, or because your scared that the society will spread the word and you'll be insulted for your son's apperance?
So what I am trying to say is that "everyone should be treated the same way" and none of us has the right to judge people and say that he/she is not normal or isn't like others and shouldn't be hanging with us.
@ Tabish There's a special school for gay/lebians? well it's good to know that someone cares for these kind of people and they actually made a school for them to make it easier for them to live their lives in peace and not be unsecure to go into halls, buses, changerooms, washrooms or go in public.
ReplyDelete@google 5 years of the sentence that's so gayis overused.
ReplyDelete@sana that's true people chose to be gay or lesbians it's their choice and what I don't get is that how will that affect our lives and how does that tie in with us? It's their choice and they are free to live their lives their way and who are we to tell them they're wrong?
ReplyDeleteI also thought about the things that happen in families just like when the kids confess to their parents but when they do they get kicked out or beaten up by their parents.I saw this video of a marine soldier confessing he's gay to his dad and his dad willingly said he's still proud of him.
ReplyDeleteSo even the adults can make those mistakes.
I think its not right for people to make fun of other because of there sexual orientation mainly when everyone in the world is different and have there own problems and the people know they don't want to be made fun of but still chose to but you don't know that they're going to Suicide i feel bad for the people that have been Ridiculed by there sexual orientation and if this happened to my child i wouldn't be comfortable to send him to school anymore and the school is supposed to be a safe environment not a place that you're scared to go to and praying to come home unharmed but its not doing that so....
ReplyDelete@Thamil I agree with you that its not right to make fun of people because their sexual orientation and because their different. Yes school is supposed to be a safe enviornment but not everyone understands that.
ReplyDeleteSome kids think they're free to do anything in school and that school's a playground in which you can fool around and play all the time but it's not like that and those people don't get that.
They don't know that they're there to learn, their not there to make fun of other student and to insult them and make them feel uncomfortable/unsecure.
What if something like that happened to you even if your straight? You would go to the same pain they went to and then you'd realize, what you did was wrong.
@me myself and i
ReplyDeletehe got kick out for religious reason aswell nand becaus he was gay
@Nicole & Stanley ive seen his video's people discriminate and hate him because his sexuality hes a good Singer but people always hate on him and don't appreciate his music and its not good they could be good in school,good at sports and like him good at singing but either when they show people there skill's people discriminate and hate on them and they end up giving up on it and Joey Diamond had enough Guts to go out and make a video of how people hate on him and what not and it helps that people like him and he can spread the awareness but he talked about how people made hate videos and one of them was made by a bunch of 24 or so year olds and it waas made when he was fifteen and he said he was scared and this happens to kids that are younger and they probably were tripping out
ReplyDelete@ sana ya but does it really make a difference that he's gay and he didn't metion being kicked out for religious reasons? or maybe he did? idk
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ReplyDelete@ME,MYSELF AND I people dont understand it and like i said if it were to be them theyll cry be going crazy but im not saying there wrong but the "gay" people should be like joey and Fight back verbally and say im not gonna take this anymore if you were like me and had people make fun of you would understand but right now you dont and go on
ReplyDelete@Thamil ya i think these people should fight back and stand up in defence for themselves and prove to everyone that they're as good as the others.
ReplyDeleteMe,Myself And I If they dont fight back not alot of people are going to help like Terry Fox if u cant Donate youre self others wont same with this If you wont stand up for youre self others wont be able to help stand up for you sooo.............
ReplyDeleteThis article seems REALLY sad to me.....:(
ReplyDeleteand the first thing that came in my mind while reading it was the workshop that we attended in grade 7 just like Sana said that, that was all about the gay people and that we should treat them the same way we treat others
Now, i can connect this to David in rebound due to the fact that everyone treats him differently just like they treat gay people but, instead of feeling sorry for them they think that they are not humans and treats them really bad.
I remember that the boy who came in the workshop was GAY!he told us that when he told his parents about it they took him out of their house and he hasn't met them since so long but, when his "boy friend" told his parents they didn't take him out of their house so, not all of the people treats gay people differently.
i think that we all need to understand that gay people are one of us and that we should all treat them the way we treat others.I feel really sorry for gay people because they can't live peacefully just like we do!
@ Emile The Great Geniouso
ReplyDeleteGood point if I can't donate/help Terry Fox than no one else will because they see that others haven't donated and others haven't done anything for it so why should we. You have some really good thoughts there.
Genious my bad
ReplyDelete@ i love me,myself and i true... who are we to tell them they're wrong? it's their lives and they have the right to do what they want to do then, why are we destroying their lives by interfering?
ReplyDelete@pizza that's true gay/lesbians can't live a peaceful life and do you really think we live in a peaceful life? So your trying to say no one has ever made fun of you? And in a way gay people ARE one of us because we also get bullied for being good or as people say "goodie 2 shoes" we are all made fun of at one point but we can handle it because we're not made fun of daily but they are and how do you think they handle this? BY THINKING OF SUICIDE! and that's wrong but even if it is these poor kids have no other option than to die than rather leaving in a place that's exactly LIKE HELL TO THEM!
ReplyDelete@ pizza exactly you get my point WHO ARE WE to tell them they're wrong and why are we ruining they're peace by interfering in their lives that they're in control of.
ReplyDelete@I love me.myself and i true.....someone has make of me before because i wear hijjab and that person was saying really mean stuff to me like " do you even have hair..?, why do you wear this,you look so stupid in it etc...... for one moment i felt like taking my hijab off and showing that selfish person my hair but, i didn't instead i stood up for my self and told that person that i respect my culture and that's the reason i wear it and that do you have any problem with it...its my life not yours and finally that person didn't do anything like this ever again so, i think that gay people should also stand up for themselves and show the world that they are just as good as we are!
ReplyDelete@i love me,myself and i....you are right that we dont have to go through all this in our daily bases that's why we treat it differently but gay people has to go through this everyday that's why they treat it in different ways like committing suicide!
ReplyDeleteMe.Myself and I People have to think about it come on like you come o school you study you goof off with friends but when you make fun of people you that's just over board like do you really have to do that it doesn't really satisfy anyone
ReplyDeleteThis article deals with many serious issues! It brings Rebound to life, and that is important to justify why we are reading the novel.
ReplyDelete@Shelby, yes it is very simple to say "stand up for your rights" but it is very hard to do when you fear persecution. even beyond the issues of this article, are people across the world that live in tyranny and fear for standing up for themselves. The events in Libya are also an example of this.
@Tabish, is a specialized school the answer to this problem?
@Stanley, yes bring in the signed paper and note!
ReplyDelete@ tehreem see oue lives are not so peaceful and you did a good thing by not taking your hijjab off but instead standing up for yourself in defence and showing that person that you care about your culture and you respect it
ReplyDeleteHas anyone read the other articles?
ReplyDeleteGo beyond the sexual orientation and think about how many different "groups" go through similar discrimination at school.
ReplyDeleteWhy do you think teenagers at school act this way? Give me 3 reasons.
@Tehreem, a very powerful story. yes indeed the school system should and must be safe for students to stand up for their rights. The article highlights though that students don't feel that safe.
ReplyDelete@ Mr.Cheney that's true it is much harder to stand up for yourself than say that I will stand up for my self and not take this anymore. If they do so then their lives would be so much easier and maybe people would stop judging them like that person said to tehreem about why she wears a hijjab and she looks stupid in it but when tehreem said she wears it because she cares and respects her culture that person just turned around and left because he/she didn't know what to say, he/she was SPEECHLESS!
ReplyDelete@ Mr.Cheney Why teenagers act this way......
ReplyDelete1st reason- To act cool
2nd reason- They want to try and be "bad" so everyone thinks of them as their role model, like if there's bullies in the school and this teen is a goodie 2 shoes then this teen will suddenly change his/her behaviour and show that hes/shes bad.
3rd reason- Does it because they're scared that the bully will torture them if she/he doesn't show that shes/hes the boss and a "toughie"
@ sonali i know right..its so easy to say to stand up for yourself but, its really hard to do so but, when that person said all that mean stuff to me some how alot of courage came into me and i just had to do what i did!
ReplyDelete@ tehreem exactly somehow sometimes your scared to do something but once you start to do it you somehow get enough courage to do what you have to do.
ReplyDeleteI read the article and even with the cuts and bruises on his arms and face i dont think anyone said or did anything and on his blog he wrote that he was gonna suicide constantly but no one did anything and now days people use the internet to express there feelings and what not but people discriminate you there too
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney My 3 reasons they treat people like that
1.People think that youre like an alien when you have a different Sexual orientation and choose to get rid of you
2.Since theyre made fun of they try to bully you to seem higher like from 10 people if youre the nerdiest and a gay person was put on the list they would make fun of the gay person to be boosted and most of the time the people at the top are usually the bullies this is like Youre real world pyramid thing and they think youre cool because you bully people
3.And they just do it for pleasure im guessing i dont know how that works but im guessing thats what goes through there mind
@mr cheney
ReplyDelete1st reason- they do that to act cool so, everyone in the school will think that they are really strong and better than others
2nd reason- maybe, they have some issues at home like maybe their parents are divorced and they they always be rood to other people and so, when they come to school they just take all their anger out.
3rd reason- maybe their parents or their siblings are bullies and so it influences them in a bad way and they try to do the same
@ Thamil no one cared because he was gay and so no one pays attention to which "GAY" dude died or how he feels about being bullied. No one pays attention to his bruises and cuts because he has a diiferent sexual orientation.
ReplyDelete@ mr cheney
ReplyDeletethere is "little people".
otherwise known as migits.
that term is very rude, and very offensive.
i remembered this because i saw one today.
and i think if people even look at the person twice,it makes them think that
people find it weird, and awkward to be around that person.
@ mr cheney
ReplyDeletemigit can also be used when not neccisary.
for example, i am short, and once
a few years ago,
someone called me a migit.
this wouldve offended anyone who was one, because i was definately taller than
actual ones.
@ malav good point it would have offended anyone else just like how we could offend gay people when we call "straight" people gay.
ReplyDeleteThis article made me think more about this issue, hate crimes were and still happening against homosexuals and bisexuals for a long time now, I can say to my knowledge more and more people are starting to respect homosexuality in this generation but there are still many people out there that have different opinions. They are still human beings, even though they are attracted to the same gender or opposite and same, love is still love.
ReplyDeleteNow, sexual orientation is just one example of the whole unit of symbolism that we are learning about. David in Rebound is different then others and so are the homosexuals and bisexuals, well at least we think their different. But are they really different? Are they aliens, or just human beings like everyone else. The saying, "we are all different on the outside but the same on the inside" has been overly said, but in this case it has a lot of meaning.
my reaction to this was shocked. i never even thought that gay or lesbain people are being bullied because of the way of life they chose. also i was suprised that more students who are lesbain or gay sucide then the amount of other people. the article mentioned about a boy who was gay nd sucided because people bullied hm in schools and those people diidnt accept him the way he was. the article also mentioned that students who were gay or lesbian had binders thrown at them or even worse, having batteries to go down their throught forcefully (no that was just over what i thought)
ReplyDeleteeven in our school this happens. just because people be who they really are they, get annoyed and hurt that other people are making fun of them.
in kindergarden 2 girls made fun of me because i wore a rain jacket with teddy bears, little monkeys, and etc. i felt so bad that even if i told the teacher(ms.gordon) i went crying home. i thought did my rain jacket that i love really looks "babyish"
@donna nice thoughts and that was also my question are lesbians and gay people ALSO humans like us or are they aliens?
ReplyDeleteBecause of how much everyone is hating on them, they have no choice but to not live. Thats why they call it hate crimes, when someone commits a hate crime they are taking someones life away from them, and why, well because they aren't attracted to the same gender your attracted to. sounds stupid right?
ReplyDeleteIm guessing that the reason why people are against gays and lesbians is because they are used to seeing love between males and females in the media. so they are trained to think a certain way about life and love. Just like how in rebound sean is trained to see things differently then david.
in the book rebound david is in a wheel chair which is symbolic for homosexuals,etc. every on sees david differently because hes in a wheelchair and they treat him in the way they show empathy for him. but in this article its different. many people disrespect homosexuals,etc. some examples are that people throw binders at them, mke them feel unsafe in schools,etc
ReplyDelete@tutsi
ReplyDeleteThats what I was saying why don't you just let them live the kind of life they chose for themselves let them be on their own and stop interfering in their lives because of them having a different sexual orientation.
@sanoli
ReplyDeletei was trying to say that they were just like everyone else, human beings.
*sonali
ReplyDelete@ donna that's what I was thinking because of how much people are hating on gay/lesbians they have no other choice then to suicide and get over with their life ( that's even worse than hell)
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ReplyDelete@ donna everyone is human no matter what they're like gay,lesbian or even straight they still have characteristics of a human being.
ReplyDelete@ mr cheney
ReplyDeletei think people act this way because:
1: they may think it is cool.
2: it is a way to call someone stupid, and/or lame/ lag.
3: people think that it doesnt matter.
@sonali exactly, thats where i was getting out from the saying everyone is the same on the inside.
ReplyDelete@ sonali how is it worst than hell?
ReplyDeletei mean like all the things they go through everyday is just like they are living in hell so at least committing suicide keeps them away from hell
@donna that quote is so true everyone IS the same on the inside because we all have characteristics of a human being
ReplyDelete@malav good point, thats the reason why kids do it. they may not be aware of whats going on with hate crimes against homosexuals and may think its okay and cool to make fun of someone by calling them gay, even if they arent gay. the word is like another word for stupid and lame, or at least thats what us teenagers made it into, we changed the whole definition.
ReplyDelete@pizza well ya but if commiting suicide keeps them away from hell do you think their souls would rest in peace?
ReplyDelete@ malav do you mean that it doesn't matter because no one is gonna do anything about it?
ReplyDeleteif you do then that's a really true statement that maybe they do that because they know that no matter what they do that gay people won't response or do anything about it
Just like how some people call others handicapped because are clumsy or arent good with their hands, again us teenagers created a whole new definition for insulting purposes.
ReplyDelete(another connection to rebound)
@pizza when I said that it's worse than hell I meant that their getting tortured alot and that it is horrible to live like this.
ReplyDelete@ sonali maybe u r right ......
ReplyDeletebecause they won't die peacefully and they are still going to have a rush in their mind about what happened in their life but, atlest no one will bully them or use them as their "target" anymore
@ true but all their life well their souls won't reat in peace because all they will hear in their minds would be all the torture and being called names and they won't be able to live peacefully. They're souls or even themselves ( before suiciding) won't be able to live peacefully.
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ReplyDelete@ donna ya teenagers tend to do that they change the meaning of the word and change it into a word that could be used for insulting people
ReplyDeleteLast comment of the day I LOVE ME,MYSELF AND I OUT!
This article is needed to be read by everybody. They should know people what people go through every single day of their life and they should feel it These people that bully them should have a life lesson they should feel how its like to be bullied. Like Hannah Montana’s song NOBODYS PERFECT and i don’t like Hannah much but iagree with her no body is perfect! It may seem he person is the right height size has good marks but what else do you know about them? They get bullied cause they are smart they might have other rough things going around them at home ...everyone has something wrong about them self and would like to change themselves but remember what Selena Gomez said I wouldn’t want to be anybody else from who says .Everyone should be respected. No one should be bullied, and we can all stop bullying by first looking in the mirror and thinking about times when we have bullied someone.. the first step to making a change is changing yourself to be a better person yourself. We all are different and we all have to understand and respect that! It’s like having a different opinion on something not everyone will have the same perspective as you because we all are different and you shouldn't go around bullying that person. Basically we all are different we may laugh the same talk the same but from the inside we are all different , we may look at something in the same angle and get the same answer by the same thinking but that doesn’t mean we are all the same. All of these things we aren’t the same but we should be treated the same people should be proud they are different not sad mad angry and feels like killing them self
ReplyDeleteWe all are different from our size, our height ,our looks our inside .Before bullying someone you should think if that was you how would you feel?? If it were me i would feel like ending my life right there because I’m not one of them but i can feel the stress the humiliation around in public and school. You should really think before you speak before you say anything. We all are human no matter what if were gay, lesbian or even straight we all still have the characteristics of a human being.
Yes it is sad that children have to go though this, but I personaly believe that I am agienst showing or emphsizing your sexual orientation. I think that people should keep it to themselves. Yes this is a free country, but what can you do if people will bully you for this. Just don't go around to people and tell then "Hey I'm Gay", sorry to break it to you, but most of the people will make fun of you, and why you ask? Just because you said that one sentance changed that persons point of view in One second.
ReplyDelete@malav:exactly people think about what makes them happy but ii don’t get how does hurting someone’s feeling making them happy? What do they get out of it? Do people really like to be jerks? Or be selfish? Because im pretty sure they don’t want to be called that around at school they want to be the big bully the tough one the one that runs the “world”. So would you say they do it for fun?
ReplyDelete@the gum machine: yes people should keep it to themselves and not tell anyone but wont it be hard too? Wouldn’t the person feel more sad that they can’t express themselves like any other “regular” person.And they would feel more hurt it somehow it spills out ? like maybe some parents were talking about it and kids over heard figuring it out seems more hurtful then just telling them ?
ReplyDelete@donna: using the words teenager reminds me of ch.10 that post mr.cheney made about was it right or something like that .Eden posted that teens seem more clumsy and immature so would you say most of the population is happening by the elders? Would you say the teens like bullying people because it makes them happy?
ReplyDeleteGreat dialogue since 9!...look at mylast post and answer my question about why you think teens do act out this way against people who are "different"
ReplyDelete@Donna, great point about our similarities on the inside...our souls.
@Olga, you share a strong opinion. I'm curious how others will respond. I think in a truly equitable society, Homosexuals ect will not have to stand up so hard to legitimize who they are.
@ Neha, yes I agree that many teens get extreme joy from belittling and making fun of others. Unfortunately, if teens get this great pleasure so will adults and young children.
ReplyDelete@tulsi: they never chose this way of life it’s how god made them and they can’t do anything about that and that’s the reason why the commit suicide they have no other way except to end their life. Which i find crazy! Stopping bullying is a huge thing .There is a tiny population of people helping but a huge population of kids being bullied .I know this article is about gay living in hell at school but its in the topic about bullying. Do you think that it was necessary that people should give up their life just because they are getting bullied
ReplyDelete@Tulsi, your raincoat story is very telling how fast kids make fun of others and how fast we change to avoid being made fun of. My oldest daughter came home from school in tears because some grade 1s laughed and made fun of her because of the shirt she was wearing. She refuses and panics and screams when I bring the shirt out. I have since just put it away. This behaviour is learned from a very early age!
ReplyDelete@Neha, suicide is very serious and more common with teens then any other age group.
ReplyDeleteWe will talk about this in person and as a class to be very clear about it.
but we can never know the type of torment and despair a person feels when they think suicide is the only/best option. This is horrible for people so young to end up in a place so desperate.
again, its very telling how cruel, barbaric, and ruthless we can be. We praise our freedoms and democratic state, but we often waste and misuse it.
@Mr.Cheney:at Mr.Cheney yes! last year at Humberwoods down they were having this conference about STOP BULLYING me and a few other student with Mrs.Ang and Ms.Jabari went we watched a video of how when parents smoke,swear,drink,etc..etc. their kids to the same they follow their steps so would you say that us kids can do anything ? unless the elders start putting their act together and be good leaders?Because in my opinion i say yes the only thing we can do is TRY to make our elders better but really elders say we don't have the power to do anything no matter what they will beat us.They say that our opinion means nothing to them because we are only young and in their world we will be young for them no matter how old we are
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney I think people act this way because they could hypothetically be homosexual and could be jealous of the other person and could be hiding their inner choice.
ReplyDeleteOtherwise, they could be just a bully and get what they call it great pleasure.Those people might be left out of the others guys that are 'homosexual' because they might have a bad feeling for being homosexual then that of being a 'man' and admitting it to their parents.
@Mr.Cheney: yes and i asked tulsi the question about what she thought about kids committing suicide.In my opinion i would say no! ending a life will make everyone so sad and cry but did they think about when they bullied them ? Some bullies may be like haha who cares he/she died its good but like don't they feel the pain? or are they hiding it inside?
ReplyDelete@Neha, I mentioned this above...its a big circle...misbehaving parents, create misbehaving children...and they grow up to be misbehaving adults...and the pattern continues.
ReplyDeleteIt takes a real event to make a change.
Emile The Great Genious :people have cuts and bruises but some still keep going they go through each and every day 6 hours of pain actually 24hours of pain. I wonder when do they every feel happy? Do they even get a chance to be happy? And don’t their parents ever care to do anything like if something is happening don’t the parents see? Their parents of that child and they don’t see it ? some parents are so busy they don’t even see their child! But the person that takes care of them don’t they realize doesn’t anyone realize? A lot of people talk about OH ITS NOT GOOD and someone in their school is being bullied why don’t they go and be their friend? Shouldn’t they do something about it? Most people can talk but they can’t do.
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ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney:oh sorry i'm trying to read everyone's so i'm going backwards i haven't read that post yet but i will.Also people that really care why don't they do anything? i said the same thing to thamil people can talk but they can't do why not? are they to scared but a lot of parents tell them not to get involved because they don't want their kids to get in to trouble and be bullied so would you call those parents disrespectful ? or selfish because i see a lot of parents going around talking to parents oh i feel so sorry for your kid i heard he got bullied and blah blah blah but they tell their kids to stay away why would they do that ? they can be over protected but also selfish?
ReplyDeleteOne day I was a different person to everybody but felt the same but had a big bruise on my face and that had people having too much empathy for me when I felt like David as he's in the wheelchair.
ReplyDeleteThen I ask everybody to stop but, instead they start making fun of me afterwards,they swore at me, made hurtful nicknames for me and also thought I became dumber when I was at the same intellectual level as all the the others . 'It was like a living hell' for me.I was always asking my parents to let me stay home from school . The reason why I didn't like the Empathy is because I didn't need it actually, I felt stupid for what happened even if people were trying to take care of me I couldn't handle it for 6 months so I always tried my best to cover it up with a hoodie but, nothing worked. I feel the pain but it can't always be about be homosexual, lesbian,bisexual.etc.My pain went on and on 24/7. If you were also in this kind of situation what would you do?
@Neha, we will explore the human condition!
ReplyDeleteWe all know the right answers! but this seldomm leads to doing the right thing. We so want to say we live in a great world surrounded by great people, but then we stop look and realize, wow we have a lot of work to do. right back to my analogy of the island. On our island we know what has to be done, but step off the island and we seldom do it.
thus bulling, inequality, hate, general disrespect confront us daily, and it is a real battle to fight for the righteous and moral causes.
@Mr Cheney Even though I already ask a lot of questions what would happen if you were or was in emotional pain???
ReplyDelete@Mr. Cheney: I haven't read anymore yet I’m too busy studying but I will later tonight.
ReplyDeleteThe 3 reason teens act like this is because
1. Some teenagers learn from their parents their parents were bullies and they followed their footsteps and this is where they reached
2. Some people don’t have a great life they have problems going on at home and just take the anger out they try to make they happy again they try to take their mind off of things.
3. They want to be popular they want attention they want to be the rulers like Scott. Why does Scott smoke and drink because he thinks he’s cool he wants the attention he want people to say oh my god he’s so cool and that’s what other people also want
@Neha how about when kids are jealous of the the other person for a pride, popularity . etc.Problem scenario?
ReplyDelete@tushar: yea there are various reasons but i guess the ones i wrote were on the top of my head.Also kids are jealous that the other person has attention so yea they want to get that attention.
ReplyDelete@ Google it was before he made the video.
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As we had our own disscussuion on normalacy , i think the videa and presentation related to it because it was talking about hoe people were made fun of because having dieses to some genitic promblemns which were sad and how people made alot of fun of them like the girl in highschool aalso , theyb were telling us about normal like we talked about yesterday and with the deff, no ione is normal or perfect everyone is unique in their own way
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ReplyDeleteYea, a bunch of college kids made that when he was 15. But its gotten better for him since he posted that video because he showed that he really doesnt care what they think anymore. I think people like his music more because they can see his passion for it now.
i think this is very tragic because theere is nothing wrong with that. its who they want to be with just cause they stand out that doesnt mean there weird
ReplyDeleteI find it so wrong when people treat them differently.you shouldnt be involved with their life, also its not effecting you so why bring them down
i think that the people who make fun of people that are gay or lesbian, are very cruel, they should mind there own business because making fun of people that are gay can lead to suicide, which is a very bad thing.
ReplyDeletethis reminds me of how we had a man come in and tell us storys of the cruel things people did to him, and other gay people. like he said he got kicked out of his house for saying that he likes a boy.
@ abeeshan i agree, why do people care about anothers life just to make fun of them
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ReplyDeleteI don't think it would be hard to keep it to yourselves
the reasons people make fun of others:
ReplyDelete1) be cool
2) to show that homosexuals,etc are abnormal to mak ethemseves look good
@ prabhjot i remeber that when he did the presentation
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ReplyDeletewhat you said is true why shall we bother them even though they did not do anything harmful to us.
@ Abeeshan you are correct about the none of their business thing but, if you think about it people like to be in others people's 'island' than stay on their own and that could mean that they didn't like their 'island' so they had to make fun of it.
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ReplyDeleteYes I do think that a specialized school is the answer to the problem, because then they are free to do whatever they want, free to date who ever, free to date someone of the same sex. They don't have to live in that constant fear of someone making fun of them. I'm sure even teachers have biases aginst gay students in normal schools, but if the teachers were specialized teachers in terms of Gay and Lesbian students, they would be able to help out more and understand what the student is going through. Like what that lecture said "Do not look down on someone, unless your helping them up" I think this quote means that think everyone as you think yourself. Don't treat certain people differently because of their gender, race, origin, sex, sexual orientation or anything, if you happen to think that way you place a prejudice and you contruct that pyramid in your head.
@TABISH ya they're free to do anything and at least no one would make fun if them and everyone there has the same sexual orientation so no one's made fun of and I think this school is way better than the ones we go to for them.
ReplyDelete@ Mr cheney no new post this weekend?
ReplyDeleteI think this is also an example of bullying at our school. We all try to act relativly the same because we get bullyed for being different. It may be indirectly so you dont notice, but it still hurts. I think we should all just be ourselves, what's the world if its the same!?
ReplyDeleteNope I didn't add a post this weekend. Enjoy.
ReplyDeleteTrue point Nicole, but it's very hard to do.
ReplyDeleteMost of us are so afraid to be ourselves because we so worried about being judged by our peers
ReplyDeleteMy thought about the article is that the students are being harrased for what their choice is and it is not a good thing. It is their choice if they want to be gay or lesbian. No one can be put down. People don't realise that they are suisiding for being bullied. I think that if a person wants to be gay/lesbian then let it be. Don't interfer about it!
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