Hello Team,
We have explored the concepts of inequality in the TDSB in regards to educators. This is another part of the Equality tree. Africentric schools are a complex topic and your opinions will need to be developed and explored.
Here are some links to support your understanding and help you form an opinion.
Clips from the Charles Adler Show:
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/true-emancipation/1285009332001
http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/video/featured/prime-time/867432237001/divide-and-conquer/1285017935001
Africentric Owen House Footage:
Article on Africentric highschool:
Ideally you have seen a variety of perspectives on the issue, now what do you think?
Are Africentric schools a good idea?
If so why?
If not why not?
As well how should the issue be addressed concerning the high drop out rate of black students?
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ReplyDeletei definately take back what i said about how not letting the mth teacher, krishna, get the promosion was rasism. every boss wants th best employee and to proove taht you need to have the most facilities and experience. as mr cheney said he took 5 courses and krisha took 1 so clearly this promotion would clearly go to mr cheney or anyone else who had more courses and facilities then the math teacher krishna.yes it is not fair. most people dont have the money or priveriges they need to get their resumes or files to look good. what i think is that it doesnt matter how man white sor browns or blacs there are in schools, what i think matters is that how the students think about the teachers or if they are confortable learning i that teaching atmosphere.
ReplyDeletei dont think african schools is a good idea because that just shows that they are a different school that has one cultured students and teachers. Canada is a multicultural country so no one should be saying or be thinking that there are too many theese type of teachers. also if the students are not learning well then it should be reconized and should be solved immediately. i think that having a seperate/extra classes to help students learn better would be fine. there are extra language classes for people who want to learn or improve on their language, theres kumon, to help stuents improve in math, so having extra outside classes wouldnt. or even shouldnyt be a problem.
the number of black students who arent confortable learning and dropping out can be reduced.as i mentioned, there can be extra classes, and just like we have the guidence council, they can someone to talk to, to solve their problems.
when did this happen?
ReplyDeleteI think africentric schools are a good idea. however, they are seperating the blacks from any other culture. And i think this is the reason that they made canada free or multicultural, to interact and learn about other cultures. I think charles andlers is completly correct. martin luther king made a sacrifice to make blacks free, but now they are seperating blacks from every one else. Even though they are changing the drop out rates sugnificantly, they should get a better idea. Likthey can put more black teachers in because in one of the videos, a couple boys said if they see a black teacher, they are ready to work. so adding more black teachers might decrease drop outs. Like tulsi said , they can go to tutoring, a school they are more comfertable in because it might also decrease dropouts. so the only way to decrease dropouts is not just to make an africentric school. Because like chareles said, what if they put indian centric or something. and then later they might have a school for every culture. and that will seperate everyone
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ReplyDeleteBut be aware their are inequalities in our education system. If you don't think Africentric schools is a viable plan, what is?
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ReplyDeleteI strongly agree with Charles Adler in the first link. The part I agreed on was where he had talk with someone else and during that point he had said if there is an Africentric school why can’t there be and Italian school? Indian school? Etc...Etc... Because in a way if you see it’s not fair to other cultures. But then later today we had a talk about if there should be gay schools why can’t their be Africentric schools. In my opinion it comes to a point where enough is enough opening a school for gays is a good idea because people find the gay people different than them, bullies have gone too far with it and so something has to be done about it either its go to a school that ruins your life because of the people or go some place where you know you will be bully free and feel safe .Where as the Africentric school’s I can’t see why they can’t go to a multi-cultural school. Really schools are not about the race it’s not about if someone likes you or not it’s all about the learning .And that’s the main point why we go to school to learn. Then comes across black people are found different than others just the way gay people are but I don’t see such a hassle about black. In the really days there were problems against white’s and black but it’s a new generation nothing like that happens like a lot of us are racist but not as much as back then. I don’t think Africentric School’s is such a good idea. It’s just in my opinion, because if they open an Africentric school what difference will it make? They will get better grades? And if they do its the same if the go to a multi cultural school the only difference is when they will have a Africentric school its all the same race so each of them don’t need to worry about being as pretty as the white popular girl or things like that. And that’s how they get better grades basically by concentrating on work nothing else. But then comes the fact of studying their parents want them to be successful have I have 2 opinions on this because if it’s about their life why not because this will take them through the rest of their life but my second opinion is if they want to succeed then do it, don’t worry about other people and other things go to school and do what’s meant to be done there. I know that there is a huge amount of black people dropping out of school but for a reason and mostly because they don’t do well but there wont be a huge amount dropping out if they decide to work harder just cause people are black doesn’t mean they don’t have a potential to reach to a white person’s standards. A lot of people tend to think there is no point of working because IM BLACK. But really it’s not about that it’s the work and dedication and as today we also talked about super people how colleges and universities are BOUGHT by people and now that’s where i get stuck i don’t really know what to say if you can’t do it in a multi cultural school what will u do in another school? Its still will comes to a point where you need to go to university and college and will have to pay maybe they might make a Africentric colleges and universities but what difference does that make? They will make it cheaper? But its comes back to the same point its not fair....
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney: as i said in the comment above its nothing about their cultural its about who they are and what they do.Whats good for them? Working harder if they think they are black they cant do stuff they are wrong .What did Martin Luther King do? He stood up for his rights and they were all like yeah! We should be able to do what everyone else does....they have the opportunity and know what do they want to do? Throw all of his hard work away; Martin Luther King got shot because he was standing for his rights. A great man who had spent thirteen years of his life dedicating himself to nonviolent protest had been felled by a sniper's bullet. And all of his 13 years are gonna go to waste. If he never stood up for his rights he might have not got shot..But someone needed to do something again enough was enough and so he did it and now they want to be separated again? If once they start in my opinion everyone will want to do it
ReplyDelete@belieber are you neha????????
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ReplyDeleteAfter watching the Charles Adler video it made me think about if having Africentric school's is actually a good thing or not. I think at some point it is and it also isn't. I say this because it's a good thing because at least the children get to learn properly and their questions can be answered but it's also not a good thing because MLK had a dream to see the world joining hands and working together and he also died for black rights. And us? We make a africentric school which is only for blacks and MLK'S dream just fell apart. He tried his best to give everyone a life of equality and we just make a afri centric school which is against his wish of everyone holding hands and becoming one.
ReplyDeleteI think we shouldn't segregate black students from our schools. First of all that's contradicting what Martin Luther Kind supported, unfortunately that's a step backward within history. I mean, I can see where the people who suggested the idea of a "black segregated school" to suggest the idea. As it will enhance their learning, and influence them in a more positive way. I like the idea of having black teachers at that school as they will understand more of what the children are going through when they complain about such and such. Yes but, are we not just moving them away from diversity. Isn't diversity what we see at work, everyday? For students, don't you see other pupils of different skin color, origin, religion and so forth? I can relate this to the Co-Founder of Egale Canada (I forget her name) but, she quotes "Alone we can accomplish so little, together we can accomplish so much". And I know there are extremists that hate diversity, but there isn't a big bad person telling them to do so, they are basically a bi-product of systemic hate towards diversity. The same happened with the gay teens they were segregated because of the other student who were bi-products of the society around them. Thus their vision of reality becomes their view-point, their perspective. Back to the TDSB "segregated schools" I don't like the idea of them, It's another step backwards. And again they said the number of high school drop outs are 40% "black". They've only started primary and secondary schools, not high schools. So what if the drop out rate becomes higher? Then the people who suggested it will be blamed and the high school shut down. But I'm agreeing with Neha on this point we shouldn't segregate black students from our schools.
ReplyDeleteI also think we are being racist because we are seperating blacks from us, and MLK, rosaparks and nelson mandela didnt mean to seperate blacks, they wanted peace with blacks and whites. not for some people to be pushed off into a school of blacks
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ReplyDeleteother ways instead of a africentric school may be to get tutors, get teachers to focus more on black students that are not doing so good in school. or like i said before, to put more black teachers in, like in the video some one said they would actually study if they saw a black teacher teachscience
@tabish yes thats true having a "black teacher" at the school as their teachers would be a better way than segregating black students. Yes it's easier for them to learn but it will be hard for them to go in public and they will have a hard life.
ReplyDelete@prabhjot thats a good idea of having a tutor for "black students" if they are not able to learn well with other students also MLK and all those other people died for black rights and they wouldn't want to know that despite their debates we're still pushing sudents into a africentric school for them to learn better.
ReplyDeleteSo many of you feel you would learn better from being taught by somebody of the same race? Is one of your top 3 characteristics of a good teacher?
ReplyDelete@ Tabish great quotes to support your stance
ReplyDelete@mr.cheney I think it would be easier for them to learn from somebody from the same race because they will feel more comfortable and would ask questions when they don't understand more often because they know that they won't be ignored or "neglected" so I think they would feel comfortable in having their own race person as their teachers.
ReplyDeletei dont think being taught by the same race makes you any better its really about the way the teacher teaches and the way the childs brain works everyone has a different mind some people need help so they wont go to academic they would go to applied so its easier for them and the people that have a very strong mind would go to academic ( no offence to anyone.So really its all about how the kids want to be taught
ReplyDelete@tabish very good quotes but you used one quote by Co-Founder of Egale Canada she quotes "Alone we can accomplish so little, together we can accomplish so much".We can look at it in one way but if we were to look at this in a different view wouldn't only black people in a group be together in the quote? so if together meant black group the quote would mean if all blacks are separated in different areas they wouldn't accomplished much but if all the blacks got together they would accomplish so much ? does it make sense?
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ReplyDeletefor me being taught by the same race does not matter. I dont look at the race of teacher, just how they teach and if i can understand them or not. If you cant understand the teachers accent, then you cant really learn.But if you dont like how they teach,mark work and stuff like that, you arent going to learn or work properly or how you use to.
ReplyDeleteI don't think Afrocentric schools will help them because people took so long to make everyone equal and now there just separating them all over again.
ReplyDelete@ mr cheney i dont get what you mean by:
ReplyDelete"Is one of your top 3 characteristics of a good teacher?"
I don't agree with Africentric schools. Throughout history, we have worked so hard to achieve equality between all races, to eliminate segregation. We are going backwards, and voluntarily creating segregation. First Africentric, then Portuguese, Chinese, Indian and before you know it we are all separated. Canada is diverse filled with countless races. Being successful in school has nothing to do with race. It is achieved by a great teacher, open student, and involved parent.
ReplyDeletei think that the everyone had a different thought on this but the charles adler show was right
ReplyDeletei agree with it because when the people in the Afrocentric school graduate they would not get along with other people because they always talked to their own race.which is why i think that Afrocentric schools are bad.
black students dropping out can be reduced by having extra help and easier classes.
I think The Charles Dude is Sort of right because Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King JR dedicated there lives to get rid of segregation and now with the Afrocentric Schools they're bringing Segregation back which is pretty much against Martin Luther Kings and Rosa Parks Philosophy.But on the other hand they dedicated they're lives to make the rest of the black people that live in the worlds lives easier and these Afrocentric schools could possibly make a difference because when they start talking about they're culture/Religion and when Parents that take much time in there lives too focus on there child's education can possibly have interest because they're learning about culture and the parents might tell them stories making them more focused.
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ReplyDeleteafricentric schools will help the black students, they already dropped the rate of droppouts for black students. But if your saying it wont help the world by seperating blacks, you are completly correct. the world was becoming less racist but now there segragating blacks all over again
@am 17 I agree. Africentric schools do not prepare the students for life in our diverse country, Canada. Giving lack students "easier classes" wouldn't really help them either; in the long run. We need positive teachers, students and parents. Not an Africentric school.
ReplyDeleteI think that making Africentric schools is not a agood idea because it is only for Black people. It should be for all students who have flunked out of high school. Their should be a school that is for anyone who could not finsh high school and be a subsitute for it. If only Black people get a secound chance to get that certificate of finshing high school why not the other people who did not able to finsh it, not get it?
ReplyDelete@redRanger, how would Africentric schools make the lives of Black people more easier?
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ReplyDeletei do not think we are being racist because black people thought of this idea of making a black school.
@Vinay: I agree. People took very long for us to be equal and now people are not being equal. What do you think people should do?
ReplyDeleteThey can be in that school in middle school and when they make a Afrocentric high school they can go to that but there going to be with everyone all races in collage, university
ReplyDeleteI think Africentric isnt a good aidea because it implys that people who are black need to be put into other schools and be seprated.That they need to be put into an school where there all the same colour and race.
ReplyDeleteIt also says that students want to learn form a teacher who is the same colour and race.How would it help the black students if there teached sepratly because then how would they get back to the society and other races?Then they wouldnt really be used to it.
I think it also says that each race needs to have its own school because then they would learn better but i really dont agree because it ghow the teacher teaches and how modivated the parents were.They were really glad there was a africentric school.
On the other hand, evne if black stendents were failing maybe its because they werent as modivated or didnt really worry but most of all as in the africentric the parents were ready to help their children and if the parents did that to them when they were in public school then wouldnt it mean they wouldnt sruggle as much?
I know we should not have schools that separates races for example I'm Chinese so If I were to be in a school full of Chinese people I would have much more trust in my races than other races because I've worked with them for so long, when I get into the real world I would not work as well with other races because I've been separated from other races for so long that I could only work with one race. It would help but I disagree.
ReplyDelete@BlackRanger Afrocentric school is a wrong thing they should let everyone that failed to go to it not only blacks
ReplyDelete@ neha, that is very clever like mr.cheney said. also that doesnt make sense. charles adler believes that marthin luther king had fought for blacks freedom and rights, so they can be treated equaly, but now days blacks want there own school so clearly they want to be treated differently. i have a question for you, how would you feel if you were put in a hindu school and away from all our different coloured friends? i would find it not fair. also every one wants to gain more knowledge that goes past our culture. i am a brown but i dont just want to learn about my culture, but other things as well. having a seperate black scool wouldnt be that good of an idea, because that school is basiclly teaching the basics of their culture, and other subjects. in grade 5 we learned abiut ancient civilisations, i didnt want to learn about another culture/country but i found out that this new learning was very interesting and some how i can use this knowledge some where in my life some day. the more different things we learn, the more our knowledge gains.
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ReplyDeletei agree if black people get a second chance why not other cultures.
And people are asking why and when they're going to put an all Portuguese school or have an all Hungarian school and when you think about it they're not really struggling and Black people are an Majority and when they're struggling its easier to help people because in all of Toronto they're could be like 800 Hungarian or Portuguese Family but when it comes to Black families there are about 3000 or so which is easier to support the program and the people are saying that its because the parents that are highly motivated to do well and that's because they know they can get there child to study well when they're around there own people and learning about they're culture its the same thing for a Catholic School
ReplyDelete@Redranger i agree because because the parents were really movitated with gave the students more support and if they had done that for their normal public schools wouldnt there be a change.The parents were movivated for the fact that their child is learning about there culture and normal edcation at the same time but why does it need to be so seprated?
ReplyDeleteAfter watching the Charles Adler videos i do not agree on Afrocentric schools. This is just segregating the blacks from the white. We are basically just bringing the past back to the future. 50-60 years ago when there was segregation between these two race MLK had a dream that one day white kids and black kids will be together to create peace.He had a dream that one day his four little kids will not be judged on the color of their skin but by the content of their character. Here we are again bringing in Afrocentric school and segregating the blacks from the whites. This was not Martin Luther Kings dream.
ReplyDeleteI think that this idea of making an africentric school is a really bad idea. As many of us thought that is a bad idea in our discussion about africentric schools.
ReplyDeleteThe reason for this would be because of what we are doing. This is the exact opposite of what Martin L king wanted us to be doing as he fought for this to not happen "This was not his dream." But as Charles said "we are going back into time," An example of this would be how black people and other coloured races sat at the back of the bus and they did not appreciate that. This is almost exactly the same as making an africentric school; you are separating African people from the rest of other races.
This would cause allot of problem because then other races would want to do the same making other schools for just one race. As Charles Adler mentions "instead of teaching them about dead white people they teach them about dead black people," What I think is instead of doing that they can just involve other races into a multicultural school so that each race can learn what the other had to go through, there for teaching them that we are all equal.
At first what I thought was this was a great idea but it is really not as I said before this was not Martin L Kings dream this is not what he fought for but not only him but other races to that fought for freedom.
This also is really not good for the students as they are not getting a sense of the real world. They will not get a sense of socializing with other races.
@Vinay: I agree to that statement. That what I also said. Do you think they would do it though?
ReplyDeleteI strongly agree with Charles Adler in the first video where he was saying that if there is Africenteric School then there should be Italian schools, Bengali schools etc……
ReplyDeleteBecause if there are africenteric schools then it’s not fair for the other cultures and obviously they would want to have there own religion, colour or race schools too which will separate all of us. Like Charles Adler said that if black people will go to africenteric middle schools then they will not feel free when they will go to high schools with other race students.
I totally disagree with having africenteric schools because it can make difference form one to other. We live in Canada, Canada is multicultural but africenteric schools can change this because if they will have there own school where only black people can go then the students which go there will have bad thoughts for others for example, that they are different from all of the other race students.
Having gay people schools is different than having africenteric schools because gay people go through different situation then them. Gay people gets bullied by others and as we read the article about gay teens some of hem suicide because they can’t handle it anymore therefore, I think that having schools for gay people is a good thing because then they wont have to live the life which they usually do at school.
@ JAN101 I agree with some parts of your response yes it would be harder to work with other races because you have worked with one race for so long it would be hard to get used to.
ReplyDeletewe all go to public schools we fail and we pass I would say its the people in the school who distract you and not motivate you.
#1: I think that when a variety of different races happens they blame other skins for what they do and what they think but in the persons mind they might be thinking that he doesn't usually get great marks so he might have a bad mark this time.But when they say that they want an Afrocentric middle school or high school that just tells me that maybe it is a good idea well later I know it's not because of what skin color they are no matter what race they are, everybody has a bias.And when that bias happens that doesn't mean that the idea of white people thinking that they have a higher superiority it gets on my nerves because not trying to be mean but about all races do that they always have a against bias for the special race.
ReplyDelete@ aqib and black ranger if every culture gets a chance to make their own school then what will happen to the extra classes? like i said earlier people can have extra classes to learn more but having schools is just beyond.
ReplyDeleteI don't think we should have different schools for different cultures or religions. I think that school should be a place where all types of kids with different cultures and religions are together in a learning facility. Africentric schools is just another way to seperate two groups of races, black and non-black. It supposedly helps because of the high drop out rate in black youth, but i don't really think seperating them from the rest of the world will help them, i think that a student from the africentric school will grow up and be raised around people like them and not all different kinds of people, and how boring would it be if everyone is the same. I think that a multicultrual community is better for kids to grow up with because it will make them realise that everyones different.
ReplyDeletei really dislike the idea of a Africentric highschool because it just sperates blacks from caucasians just like what happened back in the day when blacks and whites were sperated. The idea of this school is saying that blacks are not wroth what whites are whites are wroth more than blacks so we need a different school to go to while the caucasians go to a school were they can learn there best. Everyone should gradute not drop out from highschool because the people in the schools wont help you or just dont want to do anything to help you achieve. Everyone is equal and they should see that we all have dreams to succeed and gradute from highschool.
ReplyDeletei think making africentric high schools is a bad idea because like charles adler said,
ReplyDeletewe are going back in time.
so many people have fought to make our world equal, and more civilized.
an example is martin luther king.
he was fighting for black freedom, but he also talked about how he wanted a world where white people and black, and other races get along.
and making an africentric school is the opposite of what we are supposed to do.
making an africentric school will not help the students in the real world where there are people of other races, and they will not get along.
the poeple would also have a harder time getting a job because they would have been too used to their own race, and cant be around other people because they may seem as though
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I am opposed to the idea of another Africentric school because I feel Canada is a multicultural society and we are not meant to be separated from one another. Charles Adler said that race has nothing to do with the significant number of black drop outs which I agree with because we are all capable of getting good marks, but this has to do with poverty and how many parents work 2 or more jobs so their kids can have a good childhood which causes them to have no time for helping there kids with school work. So many people in the past have fought for the freedom of black people e.g MLK, Rosa Parks, Nelson Mandela and many more yet we are acting like we are unappreciated of what they have done for us, and separating black kids from other cultures.
ReplyDelete@Aqib don't forget for poppy money!
ReplyDelete@ tushar i got a question for you,
ReplyDeleteif you chose to go to a hindu school(your culture)and follow its rutines then wont you feel like your in india goin gto school?
@Rohan: Ya I do agree. Martin L. King wanted us to make us all be as one. But now we are becomeing as 2. How do you think this is going to turn out?
ReplyDelete@YellowRanger Don't you think that we should then help reduce the amount of poverty? Make them feel like they should be supported?
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ReplyDeleteI agree with you but i have a question, is there atlking about drop-outs in highschools then what modivated them to have a Africentric elementary school?
@WordNerd: If that they do treat them like that, then why do they still allow other races to be hired for the job? As far as I know, people hire other people by their grades. Not personality.
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ReplyDeleteI think they consider the grades and the somwhat the personlity because it should match what the people have in mind to hire that sspecefic person.I think it doesnt matter what colour or race they are
Since 40% Blacks drops out of school and go to the
ReplyDeleteAfricentric school, they then just got another chance. But as for other race, if they drop out, they do not get another chance. Then it is not fair because everyone want that high school certificate.
@JAN101: Ya that is true, but it would depend on the job too. If as a actor, then personality does apply but in like store working then it doesn't.
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ReplyDeletethe africentric schools are only elementary, and you cant drop out in elementary
@Bubbles, I dont think creating an Africentric school means that black are not worth the same as whites. The founder of this school say it will help the drop out rate of Black students. Personally I think if the student performs bad; they perform bad. It has nothing to do with race, but with teachers, parents and students.
ReplyDelete@Blackranger yes,even throught blacks have a 40% drop out rate it unfair that they get to have another chance to get a degree.Also jsu because their rate is high doesnt mean all of the blacks have to drop-out and that they arent smart .Also yes, it does matter what shop it is but a sh\tore-keeper woould want someoe who is nice and active with the customers /like freindly.
ReplyDelete@Buttercup,yes because of the support from the teacher, students and parents its helping the students achieve more and have better goals.As one guy int eh video said that if there was balck teacher ready to teach him science then he would be ready to learn.
ReplyDelete@ janat they would not just hire them because of there interaction with costumers, they would need a diploma or not fail most their subjects. so this is why droping out is bad, if you dropout you wont be getting a job
ReplyDelete@Prabhjot,Yes i know i said before they do need a dipolma but they do need the right type of perosnality(that the owner is looking for right) and thats what matters not the colour and race
ReplyDelete@JANlol, I know what you are referring to. I think he meant that a teacher the same race as him would teach him better. Or, he would enjoy a teacher with the same race. What do you think Janat?
ReplyDelete@Burrercup I think as long as the teacher is teachng me well and giving me an proper education the race doesnt matter.What does race have to do teaching edcation anyways?Dont we all learn and do the same curriculum is Ontario?
ReplyDelete@JANlol, I completly agree! The race has no value whatsoever. Its about the teacher!
ReplyDelete@tusli: thank you...but no i was just saying to tabish that that quote has 2 meanings but my real opinion is that they shouldn’t have afrentic schools. Yes Charles did say that martin fought for blacks rights and now they just decided to throw it away and be separated again the others. If i was put into a Hindu school and be separated from others I wouldn’t like that we came to Canada to have a free life and live with freedom and no one will be judged so really if i do get put into another school for my race I wouldn’t like that at all. My parents came to Canada for a reason and we are living here today for that reason.
ReplyDelete@buttercup: yes teaching a child has nothing to do about the race the person or the teacher is.As i said before its all about the learning that happens.
ReplyDeleteHating people because of their color is wrong. And it doesn't matter which color does the hating. It's just plain wrong.
ReplyDeleteMuhammad Ali then Matin Luther king says I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character.
And both of theses quotes are different but make sense because who ever is judging the person its just plain wrong and all of us don't want o be judged by our race then comes along an idea for Afrientic schools
@Belieber, why do you think some students believe that same race is the answer?
ReplyDelete@BlackRanger well, that is more easier said then done its hard to reduce it knowing that there is lots of poverty in canada
ReplyDelete@Jan101 exaclty that what I was wondering because as mr.cheney was saying you can't drop out of elementary school
ReplyDelete@blackranger I agree I think that its not fair that black drop outs get another chance but the others don't that's inequality
ReplyDelete@YellowRanger, maybe it will provide them with the skills and character to want and finish high school.They are also looking into making an Africentric high school.
ReplyDelete@tulsi Actually I wouldn't have that feeling because most likely they will talk in English with me and others because they wouldn't want you to lose the feeling of being in a Canadian neighborhood so no,not really.
ReplyDelete@buttercup: people think that having the same race is the answer because they are from the same background they think that because that person is one of them they will be able to understand better when actually is about the speed of your mind
ReplyDelete@yellow ranger and @black ranger: i had never thought of that and yes i agree it is en equality but its just like in the super people article some people "buy" their education and get into high schools where as others that work really hard but even though don't get in.As Mr.Cheney was saying yesterday the people that buy their education get in because they have money the same way because they are black they get another chance
ReplyDelete@YellowRanger, I see where your coming from. Like I said before, this Africentric school will just start more problems. Other races will feel offended, and want to start thier own schools. Before you know it, Canada will be seperated by race!
ReplyDeleteSome great dialogue tonight. The people blogging are focused and making great points.
ReplyDelete@buttercup, this is a great point, it is a slippery slope when you isolate one group from the rest.
ReplyDeleteMany will want the same rights and privileges,
you are very passionate about keeping all students integrated and not worrying about teachers race. How would you solve the issue of Black dropouts?
@buttercup:yes and then it wont be that free country we came too.There is a reason why a lot of people came to Canada for and the main reason is because there is freedom we are a multicultural country and basically they are trying to take that away from us. If we are going to be separated by schools because of our race why not go back to our background homes? Whats the point of staying here in Canada
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney: yes i would say this is the best post where people actually have a debate.A thing i like is having debates it really helps improve your writing because we get a fun challenge trying to prove the person wrong and get a lot of idea's for your writing.
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney: i think the only way to solve the problem about black drop outs are to encourage them to stay teach them a lesson where they can understand why they shouldn't drop out because sooner or later there will be a huge amount of drop outs and its will get harder to explain.After there is a huge amount will they really have no option of what to do except open an Afrentic school.
ReplyDeleteif you watch the 2nd video thats about 5 minutes long and is on youtube.In the beginning the guy said that what they see is to shoot,sell drugs etc..etc..and thats what they will see because people around say that people say that what black people do but really thats not true but the more people say it the more it actually happens because the more people believe it.They think because i already know what my future is there is not point they think they cant change it which i find really wrong.
ReplyDeleteI think the idea behind Africentric schools, is to do that, encourage, motivate and inspire in a system that is not doing it.
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney: yes they thought about the large amount of blacks that drop out they think by opening this school we can teach them they made it better for those student but there are many other students that drop out and aren't black what about them?
ReplyDelete@BlackRanger I don't think they will will change it because they would of did it earlier it's been two years but it could still change you never know
ReplyDelete@Mr Cheney I think we should focus on the student itself; the way they learn and understand, not what race they are.
ReplyDeleteOur school for example has a lot of Indians. Say there is one class where the teacher isn't that great, the students start dropping. Are we going to start an Indian school? No, we will find another teacher. I think we should address them as students, and not race.
@buttercup ya I think we should focus on the students because it really doesn't matter what race they are or even the teachers it's about the way the teacher teachs and the way the students learn. Everyone has different strategies to learn some have hard and some have easy but they all still learn. So it doesn't matter about if they are black or not or if the student is black or not because every student has the right to learn equally as the other students in the class.
ReplyDelete@buttercup canada will be seperated by race if we don't stop seperating "black" students from the society and bringing them into an africentric school. This will eventually break down the population of the kids world wide and other races will soon start to think having a school with only your "race" is a good idea and that you will learn better. MLK'S dream wasn't to see people going away from each other it was to see them joining hands with another to make the world a better place to live in but having a school with only one race....... I don't think that is trying to make the world a better place to live in infact it's seperating the world instead of bringing it together.
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ReplyDeleteLet's say the people do get really good grades and they get hired.
But that person has lived and focused around an environment
That is the same race.
When you are working, you meet all of these other
People of different races, and that person may not feel
As though they want to work with someone that isn't the same colour.
I am not completely sure, maybe some would get along jut fine, but this is whä I think.
@mr Cheney
Sorry for not a lot of blogging from me
@ malav that was what I was saying that i don't think that afrcentirc school's would be a good idea because they all are working and achieving something with one race but what if they go somewhere after school and it's in "public" with other races then they will feel unceomfortable working with them or living in a society with other races besides "black students" only.
ReplyDelete@mr.cheney yes the idea behind africentric schools is to encourage but if they deciede to go back to the school where there is other races how do you think they will handle it? also because they go to a school that is only for "black" students that doesn't mean that everyone around them will be black too because the will definatley go in public which of course does involve other race besides "black" so the africentric schools only encourage them to learn but when they go in society won't they feel "different" than others? ( when I said different I meant like won't they think that I go to an africentric school and they don't because they don't need any help but I do. Won't they think that they are only in this school because they need help in their eduaction?)
ReplyDeleteGreat point Sonali, at some point we have to interact together, and any sort of centric school denies this opportunity.
ReplyDeleteglad your back Malav, your input spurs on others,
ReplyDeleteIn one of the videos it also said how that school would only / mostly be learning about black people, and not white people. And so, ther education would also be different from what others have learned, and it may make it harder to get a better job because you haven't learned a lot about what someone may be looking or in a resume.
ReplyDeleteAnd glad to be back.
@Sonali
ReplyDeleteExactly.
You will have to see other people sooner or later, and you will not react positively with them.
we might be separated at school but we aren't separated in neighborhoods , in malls in the whole community.But i feel taking baby steps sooner or later we will separate in the community .Baby steps lead to big thing
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ReplyDeleteHow integrated are our communities in Toronto?
ReplyDelete@buttercup exactly and Toronto is looked at as a multicultural city so in a way its giving Toronto a bad look
ReplyDelete@anurag i wouldnt really know because there are many ways for this to go one would maybe be where the parents of the students will find their student to be changeing in a bad behaviour as some may think this is a drifferent school they can do anything they want or it can go as the students will enjoy the school but they will not comunicate with other races.
ReplyDelete@ mr cheney
ReplyDeletei think it mostly depends on what part of
toronto we are talking about.
for example, you talked about the area you play basketball.
you said the comunity there is really engaged about their student's education, and raise lots of money for the school.
@Mr.Cheney our communities are not much integrated... yet because iv'e already seen about 2 or more afro centric middle schools by now but, when the board releases it to the public it get's into a frenzy saying this isn't right and other stuff this is why they should reveal it secretly to the people of Canada.
ReplyDeleteThis is why I just don't get all of this commotion.By The Way Neha are you done the Castle.
@beliber dont you think that if you go into an africentric school they would most likely put it where there are more africans so the neighborhood would be populated with africans.
ReplyDelete@rohan: yes it can be that but also like the beaumonde heights area there is a catholic school and a multi-cultural school near by but there aren't only catholic in my area there are all different types even though they go farther meaning in my area there are different people that go all the way down to thistle town C.I and there are people that go to Emery and french immersion but that doesn't mean that they will live closer to there school they can live farther.....
ReplyDelete@Sonali and @YellowRanger yes that was one of my points beforehand. Other races will feel it is unfair, and might group with their races. This might start a big dispute because everyone will be separated. @YellowRanger I agree, Canada is KNOWN for being such a diverse country; we accept one another for what we are. Separating like this might convey segregation; that we are not all equal and my value is only equal to my race.
ReplyDelete@nicole~exactly this will cause segregation
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney~Exactly my point what I'm trying to say is that any kind of centric school denies the opportunity of interacting with others. Also where ever they go they will have to interact with others at some point so that will be tough for them because they are used to only interacting and talking to their race so that's something that they will be afraid of.
@Rohan~I don't think that they will put you in a neighbourhood where there are more africans but even if they do you will still have to interact with other races like if you go to the mall or other places.