Hello Team,
We have spent some time talking about equity and systemic racism. Rebound and the articles on gay teens are certainly text that deal with equality. We have not gone into great depths about equalities in the TDSB but we shall. A great article to start exploring this iussue in the TDSB was in the Toronto Star yesterday.
Read the article and post your thoughts and opinions.
Do you agree?
Give an example to support your agreement?
How would this effect Beaumonde Heights JMS?
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/1089372--the-face-of-education-is-it-too-white?bn=1
i agree that schools might be a little racist to other multicultural teachers due to their color because i can tell that rarely any school has a brown teacher.
ReplyDeletefor instance in peel Krishna Nankissoor should have got the role of being head of his department but he did not get it because he was brown.
i do not think that this would affect BHJMS a lot because as far as i know i do not find our staff racist it is quite multicultural.
@Aqib, do you really have enough information from this article to say that the teacher should have got the promotion?
ReplyDeleteI agree with this article because when was there ever a school with atleast a quarter of the teachers brown.I know this because when my sister use to be in smithfield, she said that there was only one brown teacher.Also when my sisters were about to be gr 9, they had tours of different high schools, and there were less than 5 brown teachers.this also relates to last year when a guy came in and told us how if your gay you would have a very little chance of getting a job. And this does not really affect beamonde because i have never seen a teacher being racist and also the teachers arent from only one place, they are from alot of different places so i dont find our school racist
ReplyDeleteI agree with this article because some schools attend to have more whites than any other race. This actually does affect the students' learning because for eg. at Beaumonde I think and I believe that there are more Indians than any other race. So to have better role models you might want teachers to be the same race. This way the students will feel comfortable. Like at the ending of the article, that student said " and could breathe easier". Also when I was looking through my sisters year book, I barely saw any brown or Northeast Asian. Finally the thing that shocked me was that MCI never has Asian Heritage month, because there were barely any teachers or students who were Asian, but that changed this year because some people stood up and talked to the principle and councilor. I don't think that this will effect for Beaumonde Heights JMS this is because I think that race of the teachers and jobs here are almost equal and I have never heard any complaints about racist teachers. In conclusion. I liked the way that the board tried to take action really quickly to this argument because this is really important to the parents and most importantly the innocent students.
ReplyDelete@ Grade 7 boys! Aqib, Abesshan, Prabhjot
ReplyDelete1. Why do you think the board has more white teachers then other colour teachers?
2. and if you do agree with the article are you in agreement that your race should affect or not whether you get a job or not?
3. So earlier when many agreed we should have an all gay school, do all the teachers need to be gay?
4. as well, it is curious that you agree with the article, but also comment this is not a problem at BHJMS? Is that possible? If you agree with the article then don't you have to have concern for the colour of the teachers in your school?
I don't agree with this article. I think the staff of our school board is very multicultured. For example, Beaumonde Heights. Our staff ranges from White, Black, Oriental, Indian and beyond much like the students. In addition, who is to say that the teacher's race was a factor in the decision there could have been other reasons why he was dined the promotion, especially if he was dined twice. Considering his race as a reason, highlights the racism in our society. It implies the message that the white person is better. As does this article with the title "The face of education: is it too white?" In conclusion, your teaching abilities, and talents for that matter have no comparison with your race.
ReplyDelete@ Nicole, are you likely to have more in common and benefit more from a female black teacher?
ReplyDeleteThe article clearly states that you should. Is this true?
Or do you stand firm with your statement that race doesn't matter.
meaning that the best teacher and role model is a teacher that: works hard, is committed to their students, is innovative, etc etc and race and gender and colour never or seldom become a critical factor.
@Mr Cheney, we might have more in common within some aspects. For example how society looks upon us. But just because we have the same race doesn't mean our personalities and interests are sure to follow. Therefore race would not have a factor in the commonality or beneficial aspects. I do stand firm.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with this article because i dont think it really matters what culture or race a teacher is of because its the education that matters and how the teachers teach their students.But i think in the article people want more diverse teachers because maybe their more comfortable with them but i don't think the race,colour, or even gender should really have a really big impact for me.
ReplyDeleteAlso even through principals do the hiring , i don't think its important of their race but actually their ability to teach and all.As for the math teacher , the school would have its own reasons why they didnt have the math teacher as their vice-principal because the article also stated that another diverse teacher was the new principal of Calderstone Middle School
@Abeenash
ReplyDeleteHow/ Why does having a large population of a specific race affect your learning? Like what you said with Beaumonde being mostly populated by Indian students.
@Nicole, glad you are standing firm and importantly can articulate it with sound reason!
ReplyDelete@Jan101 Why do you think students feel more comfortable with a teacher that shares the same race as them?
ReplyDelete@ mr cheney
ReplyDeleteI think the reason why there is less brown people in schools are either because the school doesnt take them or they want to be something else. What i mean by that is, most asians are really good or descent at math, and they would want to be an engeneer or a scientist, something like that. When my dad was an engineer he took me to his work for bring your kid to work day, and when i went, fukll brown people. The place wasnt meant for browns, its just that there were more browns trying out than whites or blacks
No I don’t agree with the article because any other culture can teach as good as white. There is no difference between us all, its maybe just that different culture learn differently meaning in a different method but that doesn’t mean they wont get the same answer or don’t know how to do it at all, they are very smart they can understand and teach like if they cant then what were they doing at the school teaching? If they have diplomas then why not teach? Getting a diploma means you are capable to teach or do something so then why is it such a big deal if people are willing got learn how to be a teacher. who cares what language the person speaks all that matters is the person should be able to speak in a manner that the kids understand. WHO CARES who they are and where they are from all it matters is as long as they are able to make other kids understand. White, black orange, or blue who cares we may be different then each other by race and culture but that doesn’t mean if we aren’t white we no nothing.
ReplyDelete@Nicole, i wrote that i think people who wrote the article think and some students say that they would feel more comfortable with teachers with the same race as them.Like Nina Jaiswal who said she feels more comforbale and siad she would be happier if she had more diversal teachers because there families could easily talk to them.
ReplyDeleteI don't agree with the article because Harjit Aujla got a promotion and is now settling in as the new principle of Calderstone Middle School and he is south Asian. So I think there is another reason why Krishna Nankissoor denied a promotion. Also when you look at our school beaumonde is multicultural like there are white teachers as well as there are south Asian teacher. If there was a problem with south Asian people there will not be many south Asian teachers in our school or Harjit Aujla would have not been selected to be a principle of Calderstone Middle School.
ReplyDelete@neha
ReplyDeletethey probably can teach as good but the fact is some princibles are racist and wont take them for the job
@Jan101 I get what you're saying. Do you agree? Would you feel more comfortable if your teacher was the same race as you?
ReplyDelete@ Neha, these are sound comments but the article is commenting on much more. Add some thoughts on the concept that are schools are mostly other colours but white is predominantly teaching.
ReplyDelete@ Prabhjot, you just made some very stereotypical comments about what certain races want. Are you sure about that?
ReplyDeleteI dont think this article can really affect Beaumonde Heights because we have a range of multiculrural teachers.Also no one has ever really said i want this specific teacher because there white,black or brown.As long as teachers are giving us an education , it doesnt really matter what their race is.
ReplyDelete@ Prabhjot, really Principals are racist?
ReplyDelete@ mr cheney
ReplyDeletei didnt mean that all brown people would go there, i meant that from my knowledge alot of brown people are very good at math and would prefer to be something else, thats just my knowledge
@Nicole, I dont agree because it doesnt matter to me what race my teacher is or what her culture is.As long as they teach well.I wouldnt feel more comfortable because just because we're the same race doesnt mean we would have to get along or something.
ReplyDelete@ mr cheney i meant some princibals might be racist and not take multicultural people(teachers)
ReplyDelete@Prabhjot, is it fair to say that most Asians are good at math? That just sounds like a stereotype. The population of students and teachers can also be highly influenced by the area. I don't think there are less brown people in schools. Look at Beaumonde Heights, it is highly diverse.
ReplyDelete@Janat, if you agree with the article, I think you have to challenge the make up of teachers in our school? right or wrong?
ReplyDelete@Prabhjot, can there be other reasons that brown, black, yellow, red or white teachers are not promoted?
ReplyDeleteMy disagree with the article because TDSB is a multicaltural school. We all respect eachother whatever races we are. What I think is that could have a teacher a same type of races as the majourity of the class. For example when there is 15 Indian, 5 White, and 6 others, The majourity is Indian so their should be and Indian teacher.
ReplyDeleteThis would effect Beaumonde Heights because in our school, their is mostly Asian people here, so we should have some more asian teacher.
No, I don’t agree with this article because the way you teach doesn’t depend on what culture you are. It doesn’t matter if you teach differently than other teachers because everyone has their own skills and different methods of teaching. Any culture can teach as good as white. I don’t think race should have anything to do with learning. I don’t think the race should count because I think it’s important if you have the ability to teach and not if you are white or not. Also when you look at our school it is multicultural and not white so I don’t think it should be a problem for having Asian teachers in our schools.
ReplyDelete@Prabjot , just because someone is brown doesnt nessessairy mena they have to be good or decent in math.Your judjing people for their race and culture
ReplyDelete@prabhjot
ReplyDeletedont you think that it sort of stereotypical?
@ prabhjot
ReplyDeleteisnt that steriotypical?
@ mr cheney
ReplyDeletemaybe not much because they might have an accent that we cant understand. im just guessing but i dont know
@prabhjot
ReplyDeletei agree with nicole sure there are some very smart brown people but you can not say that all browns are smart.
So Blackranger you do agree with the article, if you think the race of the teacher should match the race of the students.
ReplyDelete@BlackRanger, why do you think the teacher should be the same race as the students? Do you think the race affects the teaching abilities? There are mostly Indian people at are school.
ReplyDelete@prabhjot
ReplyDeletedo you think every single brown person is good at math.
@mrcheney, we have a range of multicultural teacher but compared to the students as you said their is a change because in students i say they are alot of brown studnets and lesser brown teachers but does it nessessariy meean that if your brown you need a brown teacher?No right so why is the race so important?
ReplyDelete@I LOVE ME,MYSELF AND I
ReplyDelete"Any culture can teach as good as white."
so are you saying that the ideal teacher is white?
@ Janat it's about what you think and feel. Are you comfortable with teaching situation at BHJMS? Do you feel you are missing out because your teachers are not the same race and share the same culture as you?
ReplyDeleteI would say it doesn’t matter of how much of the population is of what culture. I don’t think just because there are more Indian students at this school that there should be more Indian teachers that are not a thing they should judge. If they want to judge they should judge by their teaching skills by actually seeing what they have the ability to do. You can’t judge someone by just looking at their race meaning oh that person is black I don’t THINK they are smart they look like they no nothing all the know is how to do nails and hair that’s not true that person knows so much more. DON’T JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER!
ReplyDeleteI don’t think the board has more white teachers then color because for the same reason I said because they don’t SEEM to LOOK smart or
@prabjot: yes I know they are racists but the fact here is that they shouldn’t judge someone buy their race they should judge by what they know it’s like popularity. People think to be popular you have to be pretty they wont accept anyone in the group if your not pretty which is pretty stupid.
@Aqib, no she is saying the opposite.
ReplyDelete@ aqib i never said that i said from my knowledge most people that are brown are good at math
ReplyDelete@ Neha, the TDSB surely has more white teachers then any other race or group.
ReplyDelete@janat
ReplyDeletemaybe a brown student wants a brown teacher because if a indian student just came from india and he/she can not speak english he/she would want an indian teacher so the syudent can speak their first language.
if the tdsb is trying to hire more people of a race into a special school just for people that race isnt really making the problem go away.
ReplyDeleteit makes things more racist. there is a special school for only one race in my opinion isnt the answer.
i am in the middle about agreeing or disagreeing with the article.
i think that our school does have a bigger variety or races than most schools.
@ prabhjot
ReplyDeletethat is a good idea, but i dont think it would be very useful because if yiu live in canada without being able to speak english, it will be harder for youto communicate with others.
@mr.cheney thank you and aqib yes i meant the opposite I didn't mean that the ideal teacher is white I meant that any other culture can teach as good as white because as said in the article that Krishna Nankisson got denied twice and he blames it on the fact that he is south asian and so what im trying to say is south asian or not you can still teach as good as any other teacher can.
ReplyDelete@Mr.Cheney: there are more whites in schools people say because either they are beign rasict of they think they dont know how to teach properly meaning like when i dont understand something my mom teaches me .My mom was born in India and she went to school their too and so she learned the process the answers arent wrong but the method they dont like it they dont want us to do it i guess its beacuse they want us to learn the canadian way and who know to teach that better then white? right so thats what i think.
ReplyDeleteoops that was for aqib
ReplyDeletethat is a good idea, but i dont think it would be very useful because if yiu live in canada without being able to speak english, it will be harder for you to communicate with others
@Mr.Cheney: know when i think about it yes there are more white teacher but you cant say there are no coloured teachers
ReplyDelete@malav i agree, it just is making the problem worse because they are basically saying that gay people are not welcome at this school, they have to go there
ReplyDelete@ malav i agree there is no point but they only made schools like that because they have problems like Mr.cheney says that as a fact 40% of the black students drop out of highschool, this will help them because they might understand ansd learn more because they are in a comfortable zone. My sister was talking to me yesterday how its ok to have those seperate schools but in colledge or university they dont care about tha, you payed them and they dont care if you miss use it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with this article. Some schools do have a greater population of Caucasian, but sometimes it depends on the area that your in some area have more of a certain race than others. I feel with different races at school students can get different views on things, rather than the same ideas, and opinions.
ReplyDeleteI don’t agree with this article because it doesn’t matter which religion, race, color or gender are you the only thing which matters is how much are you educated, how much experience do you have or your ability of teaching. Harjit Aujla is setting in as new principal of Calderstone middle school and he is south Asian.
ReplyDeleteBeaumonde heights is multicultural there is white teachers and south Asian teachers so we don’t have an issue In or school about being a south Asian and not getting to teach because if there was any issue we wouldn’t have much south Asian teachers.
Some of the schools claim that there are not enough non-white teachers and it’s because of the principles. They hire the teachers who look like them but I don’t think that its true because In beaumonde heights our principle is black but we have south Asian and white teachers.
Nagra tells principles that every single hiring they do is important and its true because if they only hire the teachers who look like them then there might be a lack of teachers in that school.
there are allot of Indian teachers in our school even though our principle is not Indian which means that she doesn’t only hire the teachers which looks like her but she hires the teachers by their education, experience or their ability of teaching.
What will happen to teachers later on if this keeps on happening to them. Are school has alot of varietys but the other schools that i know dont have alot of varietys like ours
ReplyDelete@ :p who are you?
ReplyDelete@malav
ReplyDeleteyes that is maybe why an indian student would want an indian teacher.
@Word Nerd, the race of students and teachers at schools can also be highly affected by the neighbourhood. I agree, separating students by a same race school is racist. When they leave that school they'd probably be interested in a job or organization with the same race.
ReplyDeleteFor example Mandarin. I find it is very racist that all their employees are Oriental. Even though the focus is Chinese food, we live in a diverse country. I think employees should reflect this.
@aqib true but you can still have a white teacher but if there are indian students in his/her class she/he could ask that classmate for help to understand because when i was in grade 2 there was a boy in my class who just came from india and didn't know that much of english so he had a "ambassador" to help him and so he learned so it's not really neccesary that if your indian you should have an indian teacher.
ReplyDelete@Neha i agree i also think that you shouldn't judge a teacher by their race but by the way they teach if their teaching good you really don't have nothing to complain about
ReplyDeleteI think to me the whole area they live in prevents them from getting the promotion like since from what i know Malton's mostly populated with white people and Brampton's has alot of Asian people Racism comes in because from what i know the head person for Brampton's education is Asian and Malton's is white and so that prevents the brown teacher from getting the promotion from what i think and i think that the white person would get chosen instead of the indian person because since English is there first language they think they would be able to represent our the school better but it really doesnt matter as long as they can speak fluent english but that still isnt understood
ReplyDelete@ lisa i dont get what you mean when you say that
ReplyDelete@ abeeshan
ReplyDeletegood point.
it can make them more comfortable around their own race, but i dont think it can help them a lot in the "real world" where there are people of other races.
@mrcheney, we have a range of multicultural teacher but compared to the students as you said their is a change because in students i say they are alot of brown studnets and lesser brown teachers but does it nessessariy meean that if your brown you need a brown teacher?No right so why is the race so important?
ReplyDeletei find that having multicultural school with whites would be a very good school because the more of other cultures we have the more students can come because some students come from a different country and dont speak english that teacher that speaks that culture can help them understand and start to speak english there is ESL but their is one type of teacher not all different culture teachers.
ReplyDelete@lisa i agree with you because which ever school i visit i see mix brown black and white teachers so i beleive that it not Krishna Nankissoor is black but it is some other reason.
ReplyDelete@ malav exactly when you finish school or when you get older you have to interact with other races, its impossible to avoid them.
ReplyDeletei agree with this article that there are mostly caucasian in schools when we have different variety of students you would get to know things you never learnded before same for teachers if there was one black student or teacher and all the rest are caucasian how would that person feel if i was that person i would feel different in a way everyones different.
ReplyDelete@sonali
ReplyDeleteokay that is true but would you want help from a student or a teacher
i would choose teacher and it should be neccesary for everyone to be comfortable talking with a teacher.
@prabhjot
ReplyDeletetehreem
i think that racism is still a factor in our everyday jobs in this case school teaching. i have researched and i have found out that students of colour are more than twice as likely to be suspended or expelled from school even though they are not much more likely to break school rules than whites.
ReplyDelete@ abeeshan i tend to agree because when you have a career, and you hate a specific race, you cant avoid them if they come to you for business
ReplyDeletei dont think seperate race or gender schools are very helpful because school is to prepare your self for the "real world". How could when your are not interacting with other races for your whole school year.
ReplyDeleteIt doesn't matter because you can't have a Spanish teacher in a Chinese school that just doesn't make sense because how is the Spanish teacher be able to teach. You would want a teacher that speaks English teaching at a TDSB school because you learn English there. I think they have more White teachers the most because their first language is english and people from other parts of the world have their first language as where they are from for example if you are from Germany you speak German that's your first language and if you're from India you speak either Punjabi, Hindi... etc what I'm trying to say is that there is more White teachers because they have their first language as English, and they grew up with this language and they speak it everyday. People who come to Canada they probably have trouble speaking English if not they don't even speak it but as the days go on they will learn a few words because they hear people speak it everyday. Maybe thats why they don't get the promotion because they weren't born in this country.
ReplyDelete@redranger i agree with you because board propbably wanted some one to speak english so the students could feel comfortablle
ReplyDelete@ nicole
ReplyDeleteyes they should think about hiring
other races, but i think that most people like living and working in an environment where they
are around the same race.
@Lisa exactly because you can get different opinions on things with a multicultural school
ReplyDelete@RedRanger just because Brampton's education is Asian and Malton's is white doesn't mean the brown teacher is prevented from getting a promotion. The decision should be made based on skill, not race.
ReplyDeleteJust because the person appears Indian, doesn't mean they share connection with their culture or doesn't speak English. Me, for example. I look Black but in reality, I share more relationship with Indian culture because I am more close to my mother.
I do agree with this article because as Shelby said some schools do have a greater population of Caucasian. It depends on were your area is (for example there might be an area were there are more Indians than black). So it is most likely if you go to a school and you see a greater population of one race then you should check the area you are in.
ReplyDeleteI agree*
ReplyDelete@ Abeenash I agree because if you are stuck with a guy school you would cooperate better with guys because you worked with them for so long you are uncomfortable with the other gender.
ReplyDeletei finsd this very rude because the math teacher, krishna, was rejected to be promoted just because he was brown/south asian. now what logic is that. that is no reasnable explaination. i disagree that people that are race shouldnt be promoted or get jobs. also the fact that krishna is south asian should be some thing that he should be happy and proad about. if i was in krishnas shoes i wouldnt like to be blamed by my cultureor skin colour, i would take that as a meaningless explaination. people from all over the world come to Canada to become someone and to settled or help their family back home. Canada is multicultural country so no one should be treated with inequality, but one thing that confuses me is who are they to judge people by their colour and tell them that they cant have the job because of their culture.
ReplyDelete@greenranger depends on if that spanish teacher knows chinese and if she cold speak it well.
ReplyDeleteI think it doesn't matter what the teachers background is, I think if the students and teachers get used to each other then there will be no issues. For example i'm white, and in our school there aren't too many caucasians and i don't feel uncomfortable around my peers or teachers, because i'm used to them. But if i was in a school with the majority white, (canadian or european)i would feel uncomfortable. When i was with my surroundings white, i was actually uncomfortable.
ReplyDelete@rohan why do you think people of different color are more likely to get suspended or expelled
ReplyDelete@WordNerd, why do people like learning in an environment with the same race? Does race really affect your teaching abilities?
ReplyDelete@red ranger
ReplyDeleteso are you saying that in malton if a white and brown person apply for principle,and they both speak fluent english the white one would get the job.
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ReplyDeleteapproximately 190 days of school each year equals 4560 hrs each year
ReplyDelete@ abeeshan
ReplyDeletei agree.
my cousin used to go to smithfield, and
she said that there were specific classes where there were only boys, and another only girls.
that doesnt help them like you said, prepare for the real world, working with other genders
@shelby i agree with you because if there more white people i would chose a white teacher to come work at that school because that might make the students/teaches feel comfortable
ReplyDeleteI don't agree because it doesn't matter what culture the teacher it doesn't matter what there language is or culture it just matters about how they teach and if there good or not at teaching because when it comes down to it everyone will pick the better teacher over the race.
ReplyDeleteI personally think it doesnt matter of the race but its how they teach
ReplyDeleteShelby:exactly like they can miss out on a lot of very good teachers there is a strero type saying all asians are smart but its a STERO TYPE! but that doesnt mean all asins are dumb!( not tryna be rude).People know not to go with stero types and they shouldnt but that doesnt mean they make it into another stero type because people say all asians are smart but then they say its a stero type so dont belive it so which makes anoter stero type saying we are all dumb........get it?
ReplyDeletesay if He/She does but she's bad at it.
ReplyDeleteI agree with what they are saying but I still think that if they have more different diversities they will go and say that most "white" people can't go and get a job by what people like to say payback so then the other diversities then "white" can over rule and have a racial difference just like the "whites".
ReplyDeleteIt would affect our school because of what the diversity helps or affects the students by my experience I learned that SOME Asians can be more strict or pushy like my diversity.
@? say if He/She does but she's bad at it.***
ReplyDelete@Abeenash i agree because we have to get used and learn to work with all races.But a race doesnt really describe how their perspective is.
ReplyDelete@ nicole
ReplyDeletei guess they feel more "at home"
or they get along with their race.
@am 17 yea that's what i think because since Malton's Head of Education is a white person they would want there race to be a great race causing favor-ism which may not be fare but is right to them
ReplyDeleteat twinkle toes
ReplyDeleteso there should be different schools for every culture or skin colour.
If we have different variety for example your friends you would see that you have diffreent varietys such as asians, caucasian, black etc martin luther king jr made his speech that changed this fact for racism and for different cultures and different people, people are getting judged by there race and colour of there skin.
ReplyDelete@Nicole: I do think that it does affect the students when you have the same race because I assume that you would feel more better when you are with people n the same races. I agree that you should get used to The people around you but I guess that's how people are. It depend what they like.
ReplyDelete@shelby
ReplyDeletemost likely because they were brought up in a neighborhood where their "race" ruled the neighborhood. Therefor when they grow up they will still have the thought of there race still being "better" than others.
@Word Nerd Its great and comfortable that they feel "at home" but that doesn't prepare them for the real world. We live in Canada and it is very diverse, we should get along and except everyone.
ReplyDelete@BlackRanger, The same idea I said to Malav. What would you prefer; a school for only your race, or a public school like Beaumonde?